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Is Pasatiempo’s Logo “Offensive” and Should they be Forced to Change It?

by Craig Better

Jun252013

pasatiempo-logoThe heated debate over offensive sports team names and logos is apparently spilling over to golf courses.

While browsing the pro shop at Santa Cruz, Calif.’s Pasatiempo Golf Course, I overheard the pro shop clerk say there are plans to change its iconic logo (at right) because it’s racially insensitive.

I’m not sure how I feel about this, so I’d like your (respectful) opinion, please.

By the way, I’m not conflicted over team names like “Redskins,” which are documented racial slurs.

It’s that I don’t necessarily find the logos — the images themselves — offensive. In most cases, the subjects are depicted as strong and formidable. Hockey’s Chicago Blackhawks come to mind.

This is different in Pasatiempo’s case, of course, and I understand the history of the image and why it’s offensive to many people.

On the other hand, it’s not 1950 anymore.

When I look at this, I’m not exactly sure what comes to mind, but it isn’t a Mexican man sleeping because he’s being “lazy.”

If forced to that theme, I’d say it’s a Mexican man enjoying a well-earned rest because he’s been working so hard.

Still not perfect, I know, and my opinion is hardly the one that matters, but I’d rather see Pasatiempo send this far more positive message and attempt to preserve one of most unique golf course logos of all time.

What do you think? Is Pasatiempo Golf Course’s logo offensive? Should they keep it or change it? Any other golf logos fall into a similar category?

Please share your thoughts or read what others are saying below.

{ 198 comments… read them below or add one }

1 E.R. June 25, 2013 at 3:09 pm

You raise a great point toward the end — if you don’t have ties to the Mexican culture, pretty hard to say what’s offensive or not. Great piece.

2 S Knudsen June 25, 2013 at 3:10 pm

Having played Pasatiempo and bought numerous items in the proshop with the logo, I was always proud to display it. “Passing Time” and the idea of a siesta has nothing to do with laziness and everything to do with a cultural habit to work like crazy when it’s cool out and relax during the midday heat. I think that political correctness has run amuck in our society and there’s no reason for a logo change at Pasatiempo!

3 Michael Murphy June 25, 2013 at 3:11 pm

I guess the liberals are infiltrating golf courses now too?

4 Michael Fielden June 25, 2013 at 3:21 pm

My advice would be to ask Mexican-Americans, not Gringos like me how they feel about the logo. Although, I can certainly understand their offense.

5 Alex L June 25, 2013 at 3:23 pm

Pasatiempo should keep its logo, but the Banana Slug has got to go.

6 Chris Bell June 25, 2013 at 3:24 pm

Oh…good lord. Really? Certainly we have more important things to worry about. What offends me is the notion that this logo would offend anyone. I am Italian and happily live with the stigma that me and mine are all in the mafia and from Brooklyn. Ok…it is fine. It has no impact on me…and I sort of find it amusing.

Everyone needs to take a chill pill…and the name Redskins does not bother me either.

C

7 Michael June 25, 2013 at 3:24 pm

Not being of Mexican heritage I don’t find it offensive. But I understand why some people would find it so. As a graphic designer I would love the opportunity to design a new logo. Having said that, I do believe Political Correctness has gone way too far. Your suggestion of the Blackhawks and Redskins logos are formidable is a case in point. North Dakota State has been fighting the NCAA for years about their Fighting Sioux logo. I don’t mean to pick on Native Americans, but would they rather be seen as heroic and formidable or as Casino owners and Bingo practitioners? I am from Swedish and Norwegian descent… should I be mad because the Minnesota Vikings have a logo and mascot that hearkens back to the days of plunder, pillage and rape? Absolutely not! I’m very proud of what my ancestors did as seafaring colonists and explorers. The “bad” stuff just came with it – it was a vastly different time obviously. Same with Native Americans and the Hispanic Culture that is illustrated in the Pasatiempo logo. I doubt many people view current Hispanics as “sombrero’d, fiesta-loving peasants.” We don’t need to rewrite history for heaven’s sake. Hitler tried that – Stalin too. It doesn’t work. Leave it be!

8 Greg Weaver June 25, 2013 at 3:25 pm

I think too much is made of very little. Pasa Tiempo roughly means to spend time or pass time. Seems like a very cool logo for a golf course to me.

9 david June 25, 2013 at 3:27 pm

Leave it alone and stop trying to read something that’s not there. It’s a logo for heavens sake….that’s it.

By the way Iv’e played there and it’s better than Pebble in my opinion.

10 dave b June 25, 2013 at 3:27 pm

There are always those that will complain, sometimes with merit, I don’t feel this logo is insensitive. Many countries of their rituals or traditions, as long as its fairly factual (siesta’s during the hot part of the day, or tea in England) I don’t have a problem, this logo is not vulgar or, to me; demeaning.

11 Sixto Escobar June 25, 2013 at 3:28 pm

I don’t find it offensive, but other Hispanics might. Is not a frito bandido. I find it represents some taking a siesta, which is a natural thing to do. So for me I see it in a positive light.

12 DUG June 25, 2013 at 3:30 pm

I don`t have any problems with the logo!!! Dug

13 James Del Balzo June 25, 2013 at 3:31 pm

I don’t think it is offensive. To my understand a sombrero is native wear to people from Mexico and parts of Central and South America. Showing a man wearing a sombrero dozing underneath is only offensive if you want it to be. I don’t see where anyone is being stereotyped or abused. It is a whimsical logo that is not meant to offend anyone. Why overreact? I guess the Redskins are next!!

14 Jeb Bond June 25, 2013 at 3:32 pm

To me, I see an Hispanic pausing for siesta, something which is still a part of the culture, as far as I know.
Seems a little bit oversensitive, as is usually the case.

15 David June 25, 2013 at 3:32 pm

I think this is going too far in today’s society. there is absolutely nothing wrong with this logo and they should not change it!

16 GT June 25, 2013 at 3:32 pm

As someone from the other side of the world, the logo says “no worries relaxation”.
With a mexican name it seems appropriate.
BUT…you can never please everyone and we all know, some fights arent worth having.

17 tom chikuma June 25, 2013 at 3:33 pm

What better way to pass time. A nap under a tree. The whole country needs to get rid of the damn ACLU.

18 David Lind June 25, 2013 at 3:34 pm

Literally translated, “Pasa tiempo” means “spend time” per Google. Not being fluent in Spanish, but having a minor degree in it that has been mostly unused for 16 years, I always translated “Pasatiempo” as “passing time” or “pass the time” when thinking about the course name. Thus, I thought the name of the course matched the logo perfectly–a person, likely from the American Old West or Mexico, passing the time or taking a nap under a tree…what is wrong with that? I don’t see any reason to change the logo!

19 Dan June 25, 2013 at 3:36 pm

This politically correct stuff is “over the Top”
Garbage Men are “Sanitary Engineers”
My car didn’t break down, it is “mechanically challenged”

“Illegal Aliens” are undocumented immigrants
What part of “illegal” do we not understand.

There is no more “Rule of Law”
Don’t enforce the current laws, create more NEW ones that also won’t be enforced.

God Help us, we are lost as a Nation, and our Constitutional Republic no longer exists.

Our Govt is out of control, and unfortunately too many people just don’t care.
The Logo is FINE and does NOT need to be changed.

The reason our country is in the dumper is that there are 3 kinds of people in the World.
Those that “make” things happen
Those that “watch” things happen
Those that go “what happened”
The majority are in the third group.

God Bless America!!!

20 Bob June 25, 2013 at 3:36 pm

Beyond ridiculous.
I’m of Italian descent – I think that the Guinea Pig should be renamed because of it’s offensive and derogatory connotation.
C’mon people, get real – there are much bigger problems facing our country and the world that need to be solved.

21 james June 25, 2013 at 3:37 pm

Redskins and all other direct references to American Indians as “people” used as sport team name may not be derogatory but certainly not respectful. Especially when no American Indian is the owner or the player(s). I would take “offense” or “exception” if a sport team name was “KOREANS” my home country. Having said all that, I see no offense in this logo unless one connects the dots and say Mexicans are “lazy” or sleeping all the time. After all, there is strong connection between Mexico and California.

22 Swordfish June 25, 2013 at 3:38 pm

While not versed in the language of the Spaniards, a quick google translation came up with the following “meanings” for Pasatiempo:

pastime, hobby, avocation, amusement, occupation, relaxation, kill-time

Seems an appropriate logo to me.

One of the all time great golf courses, the favorite of it’s architect, Alister MacKensie (who also designed Cypress Point and Augusta National, just for some perspective)

The town, and golf course was founded by Marion Hollins, perhaps one of the greatest lady golfer/business woman ever.

The place reeks of history and golf lore.

Leave it alone.

23 John June 25, 2013 at 3:38 pm

The logo is so aligned with the course name and with golf being a leisure activity it would be a shame to change it. Last time I played there I wanted to sit under a tree to recover from the trashing those 18 marvelous holes inflicted. Sure I see how some may see this as offensive, but a 100% politically correct world is impossible (and would be a bit boring) so leave the logo as is.

24 Garen June 25, 2013 at 3:40 pm

I think people are to sensitive. not offensive.

25 Tom June 25, 2013 at 3:40 pm

It is just a freaking LOGO. get over it!!!

26 Ray R June 25, 2013 at 3:41 pm

OMG!
Will this madness ever end? What about the TPC Logo. It has a man playing golf
on it. Why not a woman? Or is the man waisting his time playing golf when he
should be working? Do people have nothing better to do?

27 Mark Kelly June 25, 2013 at 3:41 pm

Keep it and don’t fear the PC idiots.

28 GaryK June 25, 2013 at 3:43 pm

I am going to echo David’s comments..
Leave it alone and stop trying to read something that’s not there. It’s a logo for heavens sake….that’s it.
and I am a liberal…

29 Anonymous June 25, 2013 at 3:44 pm

they should keep the logo…it should not be offensive to anyone.

The logo says “passing time” to me.

30 Tom Sheehan June 25, 2013 at 3:46 pm

This is taking pc to the tenth power. We are human and have history to go with our humanity. The man taking a siesta does not depict racism. It was chosen decades ago as a symbol of a wonderful golf course. Let it be!

31 Mike R. June 25, 2013 at 3:48 pm

Not only no, but hell no. Tell all the babies to quit being so sensitive. That logo looks like Lee Trevino resting before he goes out to beat the pants off Jack Nicklaus. It that logo worked 20 or 30 years ago, it works now. End of story.

32 AB June 25, 2013 at 3:48 pm

Let’s just do away with everything…….I am sure that anything and everything may offend somebody!!!

33 Dave S June 25, 2013 at 3:49 pm

I am getting tired of “selective offensiveness.”
This is oiffensive, in someone’s mind, yet are OK with the Washington Redskins retaining their name and loge.
Then they want every high school with a redskin logo to change.
Make up your minds, people.

34 David Chester June 25, 2013 at 3:49 pm

I think that everyone should get real. All of this “PC” stuff is dragging our country down. It is just a logo. People should put their hearts back in their chest where it belongs and get it off their sleeve.

35 George` June 25, 2013 at 3:51 pm

The translation for Pasatiempo is :pastime or hobby. If you get me a hat like that I would pose for the picture behind the 9th green just below the clubhouse. If we are going to get so sensitive about matters like this maybe we need to look who is under the hat? Could be my friend Dave Rosenfeld. Point being it’s om age to “PASTIME” and who doesn’t like a little siesta and the hat well damn it is sunny in those parts.

36 John Wright June 25, 2013 at 3:54 pm

What thin skin we have all seem to have? Maybe someone could share some historical perspective to the logo to give a little context to the discussion?

37 Allen June 25, 2013 at 3:55 pm

Get a life…if you don’t like the logo don’t play golf there. It is that simple

38 Steven Wilk June 25, 2013 at 3:56 pm

hey, don’t be stoopid! It’s offensive
and yes, it shows Mexicans being lazy!
Who is kidding who? “a well deserved rest”?
Get real!

39 gerrym June 25, 2013 at 3:56 pm

I’m a 60′something and work on a golf course grounds crew in the heat and humidity of the southeast and trust me…by the time early afternoon hits…..i’m ready to pull down my sombrero and catch some zzzzz’s. Take a picture if you like….I’ll never hear the shutter. I consider it a compliment to my efforts that I worked so hard I need an afternoon snooze. I’m also a wop but will never heard the word lazy used before someone called me a guinea! Now THAT would be offensive! lol

40 loretta twisdom June 25, 2013 at 3:57 pm

I am from the old school”sticks and stone will break my bones, names will never hurt me. ” I am of polish decent and i stopped being offended.we are what we are, be proud of it.why all these hurt feelings? GROW UP!!!!!!!

41 Steve H June 25, 2013 at 3:57 pm

Too much thought about nothing, doesn’t tradition mean anything anymore? Let’s ask Paula Dean what she thinks!

42 michael June 25, 2013 at 3:58 pm

i think everyone is to sensitive about words and logos these days. get over it.

43 Norma Jean June 25, 2013 at 3:59 pm

Since you asked……if the message a logo sends can be interpreted in more than one way then it is not a good logo. A good logo should convey something about the company, even if the message is subliminal. Its time to change the logo.

44 69amchamp June 25, 2013 at 3:59 pm

As a past club champion and long time Santa Cruz resident, I truly believe that the logo is a symbol of the attitude of Marion Hollins from a long ago time and was never intended to be disrespectful in any way.

45 JLS0125 June 25, 2013 at 3:59 pm

Too much wasted time on what “might be” offensive is probably the most offensive attack on common sense, intelligence and tolerance! Put the PC microscope on just about anything and you can twist it to create a media frenzy…it’s their “special” gift to society! Oops, that was probably offensive!

46 Jim M June 25, 2013 at 4:05 pm

People are too PC when it comes to any minority. They want to “feel” an outrage for them that doesn’t exist. I’ve seen columns written on ESPN by liberals who want the Washington Redskins to change their name even though they admit that not many Native Americans find it much of a cause. I never hear these people say anything about Irish being maligned by the Notre Dame mascot! I’m of Irish descent so maybe I should feign indignation and demand ND change the name and mascot. A fighting leprechan! Dear God, how will I sleep at night?! I’m surprised they don’t stick a bottle of whiskey in his hand to complete the stereotype!

47 Russ McMillan June 25, 2013 at 4:05 pm

I’m not offended at all and can’t imagine why anyone would be.

48 Dan June 25, 2013 at 4:06 pm

People are offended too easily. There is no logo that is not offensive to someone. Heck, Pepsi Cola hates Coca Colas logo! (Except the part they copied.)

49 Bob S. June 25, 2013 at 4:06 pm

I agree with the majority . Taking a siesta is a not only a wonderful mexican tradition but a highly intellectual one as well. Not only does it provide a better and productive work environment, it makes sense medically. How much quality work can get done in the middle of the day when its 102 in the shade. Lets take a stand on real quality of life issues like crime ,corruption,drugs,education,and jobs and stop trying to manifest the perfect utopian society .

50 Al June 25, 2013 at 4:08 pm

Offensive? Are you kidding? Enough of the whiny political correctness that is infesting this country. Thin-skinned Americans find a reason to be offended by everything. I see a guy in a hat taking a nap. Nothing more.

51 Miles Heller June 25, 2013 at 4:12 pm

If the logo makes anyone feel uncomfortable, get another logo.

52 Joseph Pickett June 25, 2013 at 4:14 pm

The logo needs to be changed, it is insensitive but no where near as bad as the Washington D.C. football team.

53 Scott June 25, 2013 at 4:17 pm

Marvelous, old logo perfectly fits the classic golf course. Please do not change it one iota!

54 Johnny Saldivia June 25, 2013 at 4:21 pm

I say keep the logo and whoever doesn’t like it, don’t play there. I haven’t had the opportunity to play there yet, but the logo will not keep me from doing so. I see it as a Mexican man taking a siesta. It doesn’t imply he is lazy. I’m Latino, but not Mexican. I bet the majority, if not all of my Mexican friends, wouldn’t find that logo offensive. What I find offensive is racism and disrespect. Peace!

55 Jim Witt June 25, 2013 at 4:21 pm

I like it !!

56 Dan Anders June 25, 2013 at 4:21 pm

“Political correctness is the mistaken belief that it is possible to pick up a turd from the clean end.” Come on, really, they say its offensive? Who are THEY?

57 Gerholdt June 25, 2013 at 4:22 pm

The way I heard it, Redskins is a literal translation of the term the Iroquois invented when they first encountered Europeans and needed to describe the two different ethnic groups. I especially like the connotation that the difference is no more than skin deep.

58 JRamirez June 25, 2013 at 4:22 pm

Pasatiempo means passing the time in Spanish. The logo reflects exactly that. One of the top course logos around. KEEP IT!

59 Jeff D June 25, 2013 at 4:25 pm

Thanks – i have just spent $180 in their online store, even though I have never played the course and may never do so. For all anyone knows, it is me under that hat. Drives me nuts that the PC police cannot just chill out, or more to the point, just take a siesta.

60 Wayne Logue June 25, 2013 at 4:27 pm

The people who find this logo offensive are the true racists for they assume it represents a stereotype that is not true nor commonly held by a significant proportion of people in this country.

Furthermore, there are few public images or words that are truly offensive these days. Those that take offense, more often than not, want to be offended to advance groupthink or shut down someone else’s freedom of expression. It’s called cultural Marxism, and the average American is wearied of it.

61 Jimmy ray June 25, 2013 at 4:29 pm

Nothing wrong with logo. The siesta came about as a means of survival, living in the beautiful high Mexican desert. They should be proud of their heritage. By the way in the south I love siestas as well!

62 Dave Austin June 25, 2013 at 4:30 pm

I am not sure who the “clerk” was that supposedly mentioned changing our logo but they spoke out of turn. The Pasatiempo logo is 84 years old and has been named one of the best golf course logo’s in the US. The members love it and based on the feedback in this column so does the golfing public. As others have said it is a reach to label it offensive and as a 27 year member of Pasatiempo I fully support the logo.

63 Paul Jacobs June 25, 2013 at 4:31 pm

Used to live in Northern Cal and have played Pasatiempo many times. Wonderful golf course. How anyone (regardless of race) can find this logo offensive is beyond me. Just another example of political correctness run amok.

64 randy June 25, 2013 at 4:32 pm

This is not offensive at all. Logo depicts passing time/relaxing destination.

65 ElvislovesWDW June 25, 2013 at 4:32 pm

It may be prudent to look into the original history of why the logo was ratified in the first place. It demonstrates honor to the Mexican heritage who are employed in the golf industry. Working pre-dawn is efficient, productive, & traditional; whereas not exposing oneself to skin cancer during say 10-2PM just might have real merit. Noon siestas are a wise cultural tradition. Even the professional soldier is trained to take catnaps during times of war. There are going to be those who disagree and they have that right to an opinion in our Country of Freedom of Speech; and be careful not to judge our Freedom of Liberty. Perhaps it may be the time to add a catchy phrase to the logo such as : there is a reason the USGA recommends play it forward.

66 A Gringo in Illinois June 25, 2013 at 4:37 pm

Give me a break. Does it always have to be racial. I am tired of walking on unnecessary eggshells. I have never seen anything relating to this kind of proto to imply that the Spanish-Mexican race are lazy. They are a hard working people. I see it as the Mexicans have invented a fabulous idea – take a break after a hard morning at work – close your eyes and rest for a couple of minutes. Good Grief – why does someone always turn it into a racial thing.

67 june m June 25, 2013 at 4:38 pm

Can’t we just respect the tradition of this fabulous golf course without getting “politically correct” about something so clever and imaginative as this time tested logo………..folks- get REAL, do some constructive work – leave the “good stuff” in place………….

68 Kelly Leonard June 25, 2013 at 4:38 pm

There must be more important subjects. Leave it alone! I have been to curio shops in Mexico and have seen very similiar pottery items for sale. This country is too PC.

69 Larry G June 25, 2013 at 4:39 pm

I’m still trying to figure out how Craig knows that’s a “Mexican man” in the logo. Expect some pushback from the serape-wearing, siesta-taking female lobby.

70 Otto June 25, 2013 at 4:39 pm

Of course not. Everyone knows that Mexicans are some of the hardest working people on the planet and I really don’t think they or anyone else should or would find it offensive. How did everyone get so sensitive all of a sudden?

71 Greg H June 25, 2013 at 4:46 pm

I like the logo and don’t find it offensive. Political Correctness has gone WAY to far in this country. Where and how did we lose our Common Sense? Wherever it went, we need to find it and do away with this BS!

72 dave June 25, 2013 at 4:47 pm

the only thing I would change is add a golf club

73 Anonymous June 25, 2013 at 4:50 pm

I see nothing offensive about the logo given its coupling wIth the translation of the club’sname into English.

74 Otis McWrong June 25, 2013 at 4:53 pm

Blackhawks isn’t offensive but Redskins is? Neither are offensive and Redskins is definitely NOT a “documented” racial slur. I think I can say that as someone with Native American heritage. These names and symbols are honorable. In the future, don’t drag others into Pasatiempos logo fight

75 Viking Stan June 25, 2013 at 4:56 pm

What has happened to us? This politically correct business has gone way too far. Am I too be offended by every reference that comes from my heritage? Vikings, Irish, German, farmers, ranchers and who knows what else. Leave the logo and if you must, have a dialog with anyone objecting to explain there is nothing derogatory meant,

76 Cliff June 25, 2013 at 4:58 pm

Substitute “nap” for “siesta”, show an old guy in a lounge chair “watching” golf on Satutday afternoon after playing 18 in the morning and what do you get? Passing Time… Regardless of the hat or person in the logo. Too much about too little. Don’t Californians have bigger issues to deal with?

77 David K. June 25, 2013 at 5:03 pm

On the one hand I have never liked the logo and thought it looked like the sign for a Mexican restaurant. On the other hand, being a dyed-in-the-wool reactionary I am against anything that sounds like capitulation to political correctness.

78 Kevin Childs June 25, 2013 at 5:04 pm

As a person with Irish heritage, I am not offended by the depiction of a leprechaun…or even a stumbling tippler. The next thing to go will be any depiction via caricature. The world walks on eggshells, and thus fails to enjoy the diversity of the individual.

79 Art Vandolay June 25, 2013 at 5:10 pm

I would be upset if it was a great logo, but it never did anything for me….so if they want to change it, no big deal, but the PC aspect of everything in life nowadays blows.

The idea that someone would be upset over that logo is pretty mind boggling to me. The Mexican culture celebrates the midday siesta…… so why is that logo offensive?
People read symbolism into everything to suit their agendas….. its sort of pathetic.

80 Stewart June 25, 2013 at 5:13 pm

There’s nothing wrong with the logo. Why would someone automatically assume that the slumbering individual is a Mexican or Latino? Jumping to such conclusions reveals a degree of ignorance and prejudice of those that automatically assume such things.

81 Dale f June 25, 2013 at 5:18 pm

Really?? Are we so afraid of offending someone that everything is in question? If this logo or anything else in general has a history , then leave it alone!! If you don’t like something then don’t patronize it.

82 P R Hurlbut June 25, 2013 at 5:34 pm

one of the classic courses on the west coast, and a classic logo also !!! pastime does not equate to lazy… leave it alone !!!

83 Nick June 25, 2013 at 5:35 pm

The Golf Course should not change their name just to satisfy a few liberals. A man at rest is not offensive to anybody, except liberals.

84 Jack June 25, 2013 at 5:46 pm

It’s all warped-thinking liberal loon politically correct crap. Liberals practice political correctness because they want to avoid the truth. There’s no intent in this logo — it’s just a picture. Only warped-thinking victim mentality liberal loons would try to make anything else out of it. Get a life.

85 Audrey June 25, 2013 at 5:47 pm

The only thing I read that’s offensive is Michael Murphy’s slamming of liberals.

86 Thrasher June 25, 2013 at 5:50 pm

If the logo is offensive, why isn’t the name of the golf course offensive?

Get a grip folks, the name has been around since 1929 and it is suddenly not PC.

Pasatiempo has been my favorite for a very long time. Leave alone please

87 KLKJ June 25, 2013 at 5:52 pm

I actually do not think it is offensive at all!!! Historically the afternoon siesta was to avoid the hottest time of the day, not an implication of laziness. The people that find this offensive have guilt issues, which is a far bigger problem.

88 Grandpa June 25, 2013 at 5:52 pm

Puh-LEEZE!

Won’t these liberal victimizers ever get a life!

89 Steve berndt June 25, 2013 at 5:53 pm

Are groups complaining. Who. ‘I am liberal’ I do not find it offensive. Get on with life.

90 GARY June 25, 2013 at 6:00 pm

I think if it is offensive to only one person of Mexican heritage then it should be changed, even though the thought of the image depecting a lazy Mexican is not what I see but of a Mexican siesta which I understand is common to the Mexican people. But I don’t know for sure if that is true or not.

So I think like others have posted that it should be asked to the Mexican population not us whites.

91 Todd June 25, 2013 at 6:05 pm

How is this offensive to anybody??? Why do we think the man, if it is indeed a man, is Mexican? To me, its a body, a hat, and a palm tree….NOTHING MORE. No person in their right mind could be offended by this, just somebody being difficult as usual.

92 Dennis Bongers June 25, 2013 at 6:39 pm

Give me a break. Next we will have the Irish, of which I am one, wanting to remove the Fighting Irish from Notre Dame’s logo. Those drunken, brawling Irish! People need to find something better to do. If the Hispanics are unhappy have them check with the Polish. Really, I am retired and rarely take the time to comment on these things but we are way beyond the pale on this PC stuff. Do you really believe the golf course was trying to be demeaning to anyone south of the border? Sheesh!

93 Bill Nickerson June 25, 2013 at 6:52 pm

The siesta is a time honoured tradition of many cultures and is nothing to be ashamed of. I’m Canadian with an English background, so the idea doesn’t fit in my culture, but I respect it (and sometimes envy it 8=)

If the idea behind the logo is to have a relaxing time after a hard day’s work, then there is no slur of any kind.

If people want to be offended by something, they’ll find a way to twist it to be offended.

94 Albert June 25, 2013 at 6:55 pm

If I walked into the golf shop and saw this logo I would think it was unique.
It would not cross my mind that it was offensive or stereotyping a group of people.

95 Alec Lever June 25, 2013 at 6:56 pm

Nobody has complained to me when I wear my Pasatiempo shirt. Had they, an interesting conversation would have ensued. Live and let live.

96 Anonymous June 25, 2013 at 7:36 pm

I belive they did a study and determined that workers that did take a nap in the afternoon were more productive and energetic. Sure would beat working with a person yawning all afternoon-

97 Scott June 25, 2013 at 7:48 pm

I am presuming this logo has been around North of 20 years??? Having said that and not to wax too hard on the side of politics……………. people are looking to be offended over the most trivial of things. Pasatiempo=past time if I am mot mistaken. Looks to me like an hombre just maximizing his relaxing time.

98 Gene Booth June 25, 2013 at 7:51 pm

The image is of a Mexican taking a siesta. Siestas are part and parcel of Mexican culture. There in nothing insulting about it to anyone unless they just wish to take umbrage. Some who think they are more “caring” or “sensitive” than the rest of us seem to possess this affliction. Give me a break!!!!!!

99 Dr. Dave June 25, 2013 at 8:32 pm

There’s really no end in sight to this effort to view everything as offensive. By the time we settle this thing at Pasatiempo, Stanford will have changed their nickname for the umpteenth time—perhaps they can be the Stanford
Air Molecules so as to not offend anyone as well. God knows the Stanford Indians must have been hell for Native Americans. I wonder who was offended by the Stanford Sequoia? Meanwhile we can change our Pasatiempo logo to a golf ball.

100 David Carlick June 25, 2013 at 8:46 pm

This is the greatest play on words. Pasatiempo translates to pastime (which is golf, on a good day). It is a Spanish word, and also has the double meaning of ‘passing the time.’

One dictionary definition of English ‘pastime’ is: “An activity that occupies one’s spare time pleasantly.”

I can personally think of fewer ways to pass time pleasantly than a nap, which, as many have pointed out, is a logical part of the work ethic in hot climates.

I pass time with a nap every afternoon (unless I am walking a golf course, my pastime).

101 riz June 25, 2013 at 9:00 pm

it is moderate!

102 Marty June 25, 2013 at 9:09 pm

Please get over it! KEEP THE LOGO! IT’S A PICTURE

103 CAGolfer June 25, 2013 at 9:13 pm

Offensive? REALLY?!? They are taking “politically correct” to a ridiculous level.

104 Glen June 25, 2013 at 9:21 pm

I’m getting offended by all this politcal correctness. Soon you need to marry a lawyer just to print or say anything.
Where does this end? I’ll tell you, with transparent golf balls because some group will say they are offended that golf balls are mostly white.

105 David Rodriguez June 25, 2013 at 9:30 pm

I am personally not offended. “Pasatiempo” means passing time and the logo does NOT indicate passing time to me. Unless the owners are not Hispanic and just think this is what those words mean. No, I don’t think it should be changed for the reasons brought out but I do think if I had anything to do with the logo and name I would choose another.

106 Fourball June 25, 2013 at 9:55 pm

I wish more things were as pleasantly enduring as the logo, Hollin’s vision and the wonderful McKensie design it has represented for 87 years.

It seems rediculous that a course birthed through the determination and grit of an enterprizing woman would become an opportunity for PC concern rather than celebration of female accomplishment well before affirmative actions.

It is a wonderful course. An American treasure that one you can play,

Let it be.

107 Jay Ward June 25, 2013 at 10:01 pm

So absurd – one should be proud to have ones cultural heritage associated with a world class golf course like Pasatiempo. What are you going to change it to – a white guy wearing a tie?

108 Ford June 25, 2013 at 10:02 pm

Look at what we have become.

109 d fink June 25, 2013 at 10:36 pm

Good Lord! Are we working so hard at political correctness that everything is in play?
Leave the damn logo alone! It’s a great course- with wonderful history. And the logo means different things to different people. So SHADDUP!

110 RG June 25, 2013 at 11:32 pm

All of you that support this form of racism must also have a lawn jockey statue by your front doors.

111 Happy Paul June 25, 2013 at 11:34 pm

Many have cited translations for Pasatiempo. Pastime, hobby, relaxation, kiiling time are all listed in my dictionary. They have also described the image as depicting a siesta, not a lazy Mexican. I agree, the first thing that came to my mind when I saw the image was that it depicted a man enjoying a siesta or relaxing.
I suggest that an ‘offensive’ image is in the mind of the beholder. The image is clearly (to me) not intended as derogatory. Those who see it as such are entiled to their opinion. But I submit any negative connotation is a projection of the viewer’s interpretation. Maybe the offended viewer should examine their stereotyping and racial profiling.
In my opinion, there is no need to change the logo.
Are many Mexican-Americans, Americans of Mexican heritage, latinos and hispanic peoples complaining because they are offended by the logo of a golf course? Really? Wow. La Raza must have finished all the important work. ;-)

112 Hammer June 26, 2013 at 12:20 am

Without knowing the genesis of the decision to change their logo, I think some of those posting comments are drawing interesting conclusions, which is indicative of our culture today – abundance of ignorance!

For example: “…blame it on the liberals…” without knowing if indeed it was a liberal organization or group that brought pressure to bear on the course owners/management. Or, “…should pose the question to Hispanics/Mexicans…”, which implies and assumes that only us gringos would be savvy enough to play golf and thus read/respond to this survey. Then there is that frustrated wannabe “patriot” who disparages our great nation (yes, great in spite of what some consider its flaws including the ignorance of its populous) and then signs off with “God Bless America”!

One of the fundamental beauties of our country is that one can choose to do anything as long as it doesn’t bring harm to her/himself, others or the society at large – following the rule of law.

So while to me, and obviously many others (although perhaps for different reasons) the logo is not offensive and is in fact an apt depiction of the name of the golf course, it isn’t really our place to tell the owners/management what they should do or to judge whether their intentions are honorable, cowardice (under pressure), PC, etc, etc.

About the only positive take-away for me is that now I know of a great golf course in Santa Cruz the next time I am in Northern California!

113 Chet Hopper June 26, 2013 at 1:27 am

The scene depicted I have seen many times over the years. Never from Pasatiempo Golf club, but growing up in Southern California this has always represented a “Siesta” to me. Nothing about a lazy Mexican, but one deserving of his break from a long hard day of work. Just another case of more people wanting to make another useless point. More and more of these so called sensitive people spending to much time on things like this.

114 anthony June 26, 2013 at 2:03 am

Keep the logo..I’m latino and I believe this “politically correct BS ” has gone far enough… it’s bad enough that these people cross our borders illegally, drain our welfare system, burden our hospital system, and now they want to control everyone’s lives and play areas …

115 bob cecchini June 26, 2013 at 3:50 am

I am thoroughly disgusted with the very tiny minority of people who arrogantly assume they speak for many when they say that symbols, logos, nicknames, etc. like the one for Pasatiempo are offensive. I fervently wish that the teams, golf courses or others who sport such symbols, nicknames or logos would tell these liberals to go jump in a lake. It’s pointless to argue the merits of the these things because liberals always assume they know what’s best. I sincerely hope that Pasatiempo remains steadfast and keeps their logo. Hootie Johnson had it exactly right when he put another liberal do-gooder, Martha Burke, in her place with his “not at the point of a bayonet” line.

116 Doug White June 26, 2013 at 6:42 am

I echo the comments of Michael Fielden, Chris Bell and d fink. Being an African American, I would prefer to be asked directly if something is offensive to me. That being said, I’ve traveled abroad and think, as Americans, we are often wound too tight. We have so many more important issues to concentrate on such as how to improve the eroding morality in the U.S., education of all of our children and the culture of corporate greed that plagues this country. BTW – my wife, who doesn’t golf, looked at the logo, saw nothing wrong with it and replied that she could use a siesta herself.

117 Austin Drader June 26, 2013 at 7:29 am

I think some people on this planet have WAYYY too much time on thier hands if that’s all they can do to try and cause problems where ever they go.Political correctness has gone amuck and I think we should all step back, take a breath and get on with our lives. Years ago no one had a problem with the Redskins,Braves,Indians etc, etc. It was never meant to be offensive, they are only names. Lets just enjoy life.

118 Bagger June 26, 2013 at 7:30 am

Great course and logo! Leave it alone

119 Dale June 26, 2013 at 8:34 am

One cannot control others hyper sensitivity. If a group decides that the word “apple” is offensive, must I discontinue using this word? The name “Redskins” is not intended to offend, and for that reason it should not offend Indians. Frankly, if some find the need to be easily offended, I don’t care.

Furthermore, if some find a picture of a Mexican sitting under a tree offensive, that is a problem for the hyper sensitive folks, not me. We don’t find the Irish whining about Notre Dame, do we?

120 Janina Jacobs June 26, 2013 at 8:48 am

The siesta is a time-honored tradition of the Hispanic people from way back. I see nothing here about which anyone should make a fuss. Really, what has this nation come to that everyone should be offended about so much?

121 Phil Watson June 26, 2013 at 8:50 am

I have to agree with the vast majority here, whilst I wouldn’t knowing want to offend any Hispanics, I’m not sure this does? Has there been a specific grievence from any ‘real people’ or is it the PC brigade again.

The interpretation of the golf club name is depicted with a suitable emblem – baffles me what the problem is, unless it is actually upsetting ‘real’ people!

BTW – I’ve had the pleasure of playing Pasatiempo, a fine course and probably had the fastest greens I’ve ever played on, but then again I am from the from England and we do tend to play on slower green than you do in the USA.

122 Jerry Bentrum June 26, 2013 at 8:51 am

The logo is iconic..I see a well deserved nap…The beauty is in the eye of the ….

123 David L June 26, 2013 at 9:20 am

Why do you assume its a Mexican?
Looks like a guy from DEVO to me

124 Frank June 26, 2013 at 9:32 am

Enough already. If you find it offensive then don’t play the course or buy their apparel.

125 AV June 26, 2013 at 9:38 am

If it’s “offensive to many people”, then it should be removed. Pretty simple. Times change. Things that people accepted in the past can at some point become unacceptable. And they change. Good intent doesn’t trump perception of offense.

126 Gary Martin June 26, 2013 at 9:47 am

So how was this decision reached? There is no mention in the article above who or what group made the charge. Just overhearing an employee make a comment would have prompted me to seek out a manager for more information.
We have to stop being over-reactive when these situations present themselves. Let’s spend our energy and outrage where it will do the most good. Pasatiempo is a true classic gem of a golf course. I have had the pleasure of playing it many times going back to the 1960′s and playing for my small college team in the Northern California Invitational. I don’t recall any time ever seeing evidence of any racial or cultural insensitivity from any of the employees or management at this golf course.

127 ELAINE June 26, 2013 at 10:20 am

People need to chill out!!!!! It’s only offensive if you want it to be.

128 Mike June 26, 2013 at 10:30 am

Needs to be changed

129 Mark June 26, 2013 at 10:35 am

The Confederate flag can be very offensive because it is linked to a period of history that was based on slavery, particularly black slavery.

The siesta-taker implies “lazy-Mexicans”. Better to change it.

130 A. U. June 26, 2013 at 10:35 am

Change it.

131 Bill M. June 26, 2013 at 10:37 am

Ask Lee Trevino…or put a golf bag and a club in his hand…

132 Tina W. June 26, 2013 at 10:38 am

One translation of pasatiempo means “hobby.” I’m not offended by the picture, but I believe a more appropriate image could perhaps have the same individual (dressed as is) swinging a golf club under the palm tree.

Thanks for seeking others opinion.

133 G. Tate June 26, 2013 at 10:38 am

I don’t see anything wrong with it.

134 Mike g. June 26, 2013 at 10:39 am

how do we know the person taking a nap is mexican? just because he’she has chosen to wear a mexican-styled sombrero? you can’t tell much about that person’s gender, race or national origin as depicted. it seems to me that if i wanted to pass the time with a nap beneath a palm tree, a large sombrero would be ideal, as it could provide superior protection from the sun’s heat and light. i think the logo is unique and not offensive and should not be changed.

135 MK June 26, 2013 at 10:39 am

Don’t we all have more to concern ourselves with than this? Lets outlaw the word siesta…That highly regarded club has been around a long time and never had the intention of offending anyone. They merely designed/created a cute logo that displayed the serenity of their position on golf and their facility.

136 B. June 26, 2013 at 10:40 am

Not offensive to me. But in today’s culture(where most everyone is offended by something) lots of folk will be upset.
Maybe I souldn’t use “folk”, that could be considered “folksy” or “folk lore” which might offend someone. :-D

137 Bob H. June 26, 2013 at 10:40 am

Keep it…have a shirt and golf glove with it….iconic as you state.

138 Frank M. June 26, 2013 at 10:41 am

I certainly don’t find it offensive and really don’t understand why any would. It’s simply a mexican man having a siesta under a tree. In many countries around the world people have siesta’s daily, it’s part of their work day. We should do the same.

139 Bill Viramontes June 26, 2013 at 11:00 am

This is almost as bad as when they Fired the Frito Bandido for the same reason!

140 Howie June 26, 2013 at 11:08 am

People with a problem with this will find ways to have problems with many things. Perhaps the USGA can use it with their “While we’re young” campaign.

141 Liam Stuart June 26, 2013 at 11:48 am

Have we become so self righteous and sanctimonious that we’re such hypocrites? It’s a decades old image of someone taking a siesta, nothing more–unless you’re so insecure in yourself that you jump at your own shadow. What bunk!

142 Thomas Napoli June 26, 2013 at 12:25 pm

Why not have Congress pass a law that the only permitted logo for a golf club is a golf ball. Baseball for baseball teams, etc. etc.
Even then I’m sure someone would be offended because the circle has some evil hidden meaning. Time to do away with the PC police. If not, mediocracy and bland rule forever.

143 Bernie June 26, 2013 at 2:24 pm

They need to change the name of the course if they are going to change the logo. Maybe they should put a white guy as the logo and call the course “Honky Club”.

144 MJ June 26, 2013 at 4:32 pm

STOP with the political correctness!!!!!!

When Notre Dame changes it’s nickname and logo from THE FIGHTING IRISH, then I’ll listen.
In the meantime, go crawl back under your rock.
If you don’t like the logo, don’t play there; don’t work there, don’t go there.
Let the marketplace take care of itself.

HEY, I’m offended by Trajoans, Bruins, Buckeyes, etc.

145 Bobby E. from Texas June 26, 2013 at 4:45 pm

I’m so disgusted with all this “political correctness” I could just spit at my ‘puter screen. There are Sooooooooo many things everyone in this country could, and should be concerned about, and one of them is “NOT” if logos, team names, cultural habits or past times, are offensive to someone. People,,,,,,,, get off this offensive thing. I could name you two dozen things that the idiots in Washington did that was offensive to me in the past month. But we should “all” move on with our lives, and not let something this minor bog down our brains, and feel offended over. This country is letting the small minorities dictate what we do, what we say, and the next thing is, they’ll be dictating what we think if they can figure out how to read our minds. And trust me,, I’m no bigot,, and I’d never want to hurt anyone’s feelings. It’s just that we are “WAY” to sensitive these days. Just shut the heck up about stuff like this,,, and let’s try and “unify” this country,,, not tear it apart. KEEP,, the logo, it’s cool.

146 jerry K June 26, 2013 at 4:48 pm

It’s a business decision for them to make and live with the consequences fi they keep it or change it.

147 Patrick Shanahan June 26, 2013 at 8:19 pm

Ridiculous, leave it alone.

148 ralph a santos June 26, 2013 at 8:37 pm

I have always loved the laid back attitude of the Mexican Emblem. We all should just “CHILL”!

149 rcb June 26, 2013 at 9:36 pm

Total PC crap…not liberal…republicrat vote generation. Nothing offensive about a hard EARNED siesta. Wake Up!

150 monica decicco June 26, 2013 at 10:02 pm

i dont fin it offensive at all and my immediate thought are like yours, just taking a well needed rest. we, as a society have to get beyond this political correctness.

151 Ken June 26, 2013 at 10:05 pm

I have played Pasatiempo many times, great course. I hadn’t given much thought to the PC ness of the logo until now, I say leave it be.

152 DH June 27, 2013 at 12:08 am

It’s not the intent, it’s the subsequent impact on minorities. Whites don’t even realize the hurtful impact of racial stereotypes because it’s done with the “best” of intentions. This isn’t about being “PC”, it’s about respect.

153 Jeff Pelton June 27, 2013 at 1:23 pm

Since my ancestry is European, I personally do not take offense to the designated logo in question. I do feel anyone taking offense to such logo’s are sensitive to many issues and wish to make a political statement. I think the marketplace should dictate stigma or lack thereof. If such offends you, do not give your $dollar vote to such an organization. If such lack of $dollar votes affects the bottom line of such an organization, then the economic decision would be to remove the logo.-JOP

154 Dan June 30, 2013 at 9:41 am

The logo is not offensive. We have a large population of Hispanics in our area who work the fields like no other. If passing the time means a brief siesta after a hard day of work, then the siesta is well deserved. The logo captures the essence of the course name and the history of the area as it was discovered by the Spanish explorers. It is time this country move on to the important issues.

155 Gonzo July 1, 2013 at 8:57 am

Enough already of the nanny state. If you find this course logo offensive, don’t go there.
Just like any other product or service – if you don’t like it you don’t buy it.

156 Phil July 1, 2013 at 4:17 pm

It’s a beautiful logo. It depicts the translation of “PASATIEMPO” into a visual
Image: to relax and pass the time in leisure.

I don’t know of a more fitting logo to bestow honor to a person unless
it’s by adding a hammock under him as the logo is used in Costa Rica’s
“PASATIEMPO” resort.

157 JOHN B July 1, 2013 at 6:08 pm

I have been a stockholder at Pasatiempo for over40 years and to me the little guy under the tree me means relax PASS THE TIME……..Those that want to change our logo should do what the guys under the tree is doing…Chill out

158 Ron M July 2, 2013 at 1:55 pm

Does anyone think that, perhaps, political correctness has now hit an all-time stupidity level.. As a Chicago Blackhawk fan with the profile of a strong Blackhawk Indian on the front of the sweater, I am reminded of a saying Denis Savard, a great Chicago player, said of this Blackhawk. ” Respect the Indian!” Maybe this could have some applicability. Jeeez.

159 Brad Smith July 2, 2013 at 4:32 pm

I’ve been playing Pasatiempo for nearly 24 years and driving 90 minutes each way to do so. It’s been my favorite course since the first time I played it in 1989. I love the logo and all that the golf course and its rich heritage stand for. My only regret is that I don’t live closer so I can play it more often.

160 Howard Kelman July 2, 2013 at 7:29 pm

Puleeeeese! The Mexican population is the hardest working people in our country. The logo does not represent anything offensive whatsoever. Like anyone who puts in a hard day’s work, the man pictured is taking a well deserved rest. Does anyone out there own a hammock?

161 clovis cramer July 2, 2013 at 8:02 pm

Ask Lee Trevino, his opinion should carry the most weight.

162 Ted July 3, 2013 at 12:41 am

No, it is not offensive to me. I feel that some people need to growup and be adults. If a logo is offensive, then don’t patronize the business.

163 JAMES MORROW July 9, 2013 at 1:51 pm

Look at the design of the tree/ almost Chinese, is that offensive? Maybe we should take the logo for a life lesson. RELAX AND ENJOY THE DAY

164 John M July 9, 2013 at 1:59 pm

I am 1/2 Puerto Rican and my grandfather on my mother’s side was a farmer on the island. He grew coffee and sugar; the usual cash crops at the time. Part of his daily routine was to take a nap under a large Banyon tree down the hill from his home. He also wore a hat not unlike our friend on the Pasatiempo logo. Net, I would not be offended if a course opened in Puerto Rico and had a “Jibaro” leaning up against a Banyon tree. Keep the logo!!

165 Buzz July 9, 2013 at 2:04 pm

It’s time for EVERYONE to grow up !! The logo should stay.

166 bob July 9, 2013 at 2:30 pm

if there was a leaf blower next the person under the tree, then…that may be offensive. or if the golf course was called “lazy mexican”…that may be offensive…if my golf ball wound up under the tree, i would be pissed off…not so much offended. what offends me, is my scores @ pasateimpo.

167 Bill July 10, 2013 at 5:17 pm

I’m with most of you. Who looks at this logo and says “wow that’s really racist to Mexicans”? It sounds like this racist because it has a Mexican.
If it had a Scandanavian (like me) it wouldn’t make sense.
Pasatiempo is spanish (mexican) so a mexican is correct.
Pasatiempo “Passing Time” that’s what he’s doing.
What logo would translate to “passing time” and keep the mexican heritage as the name implies?

168 Shirley July 10, 2013 at 7:00 pm

Perhaps the logo depicts a woman napping while waiting for a tee time. Who knows what the gender or nationality is? A sombrero is the answer?? People really need to get a life if all they have to do is complain about the logos of country clubs being discriminatory. Really!

169 DK July 16, 2013 at 12:08 pm

The liberals are at it again. Let’s change the logo to having him holding a Bible and really get them “offended”

170 Al Andrus July 17, 2013 at 10:03 am

Pasatiempo is a great golf course. If it chooses to show an image of someone relaxing in a siesta pose, as an appropriate symbol of relaxing at their course, passing time, what’s wrong with that? Has the custom of the siesta been eliminated by those who consider depicting it offensive. This objection is silly.

171 john July 19, 2013 at 11:00 am

busy minds with too much idle time being wasted . It’s easy to sit on the sidelines and be a pain in the posterior. By the way, a ‘redskin’ is also a potato, so get off it ! Logos and team nicknames are not intended to be mean or harmful to any groups! People that complain about everything need to get out and be more productive in their community ! We are Cleveland Indians fans !! Go tribe !! Scalp em !!

172 Gary August 28, 2013 at 9:30 am

I like the logo and plan to have 5 dozen balls printed up with it. Let the big dog fly!

173 Parsnates September 17, 2013 at 3:44 pm

Silly. As is the uproar over team mascots. Teams, resorts, or companies pick logos and names that they feel represent them in a positive light. We don’t have teams named “Idiots”.

174 ted b October 2, 2013 at 11:27 am

Redskins is quite obviously racist. It actually has the word “skin” in it for goodness sake. I come from Oklahoma (the place so bad we gave it to the natives!) and frankly am surprised it has lasted this long.

This one? Not so much. But like the other folks on here, I think I defer to folks who WOULD be offended and ask them. I really don’t think anything of it at this point.

175 Ray C December 21, 2013 at 10:35 am

It’s hard for me to determine the ethnic makeup of the napper from the logo. Perhaps he isn’t from Mexico .

176 TL December 22, 2013 at 8:24 am

oh please. there are bigger fish to fry in today’s world.

177 Dan E December 31, 2013 at 9:56 pm

Why? Why? People find the tiniest little things to go off on! Soon they will be saying school is bad because they are more students than teachers!!!
Let’s just live our own lives and stop being so damn critical!

178 Dwane M January 2, 2014 at 11:16 pm

My wife is from Mexico. We have been married 17 years. Over the years we have visited her country at least 30 times. We typically spend our Christmas break there as well. Over the years I have seen more of Mexico than the United States. The good, the bad and the ugly. I’ve made many friends and truly enjoy visiting and love my in-laws. This type of overly sensitive “politically correct” crap is a joke to them. I don’t know any Mexican who lives in Mexico (by choice), who would find this offensive…And yes they call themselves Mexicans and they don’t find it offensive to be called a Mexican since that’s what they are. American’s are taking all of this way to far. Don’t we have better things to do with our time than worry about a golf logo? Seriously, there are real problems in life, this isn’t one of them. Just the thoughts of a Gringo who calls Mexico his 2nd home and knows the “real” people and culture south of the border.

179 Ed S. January 3, 2014 at 9:27 am

This is a very nice logo. Who’s to say it is a Mexican gentleman under the hat? Keep the liberals out of golf and keep the logo.

180 gb January 8, 2014 at 7:43 pm

I find nothing wrong with the logo.

181 Hondo January 11, 2014 at 11:32 am

How many Irish Americans are upset with & trying to change the name & logo of the Boston Celtics or of Notre Dame’s Fighting Irish. Most embrace those names, teams & logos ( and how many current Celtic players are actually Irish??) – Are the Lions , Bears, Dolphins & Bulldogs upset (No, but some crazy animal lover that has zero appreciation for sports & lacks to realize that when one comes up with a name & logo for your team/product you pick something that you can feel good & proud of …. people find something honorable in the logos & names they choose – It’s a great golf course, if it in any way links a certain culture to it then why not be proud of that? Try telling an Irish American you think they should change the names of the Celtics or Notre Dame to the Green Storm and see how they react. ( …Oh no, we might insult weatherman if we use the name Storm! ) If I were in the airline industry I might be more upset with the NY Jets (I mean have you seen their product lately??)

182 GMason February 28, 2014 at 4:20 pm

Who is it offending, a large population of Mexican-Americans or a group of people that think Hispanics might find it offensive. I find it interesting that people worry about sports teams use of names like “Redskins” and “Seminoles” when the people who this supposedly offends have given permission to the organizations and endorse the use of them. As far as Pasatiempo’s logo goes, if it offends you then don’t play there.

183 Warren March 28, 2014 at 12:54 pm

I’m so FED UP with people being SO touchy about EVERY little thing in this world !!!
I think everybody knows that there is “SIESTA” time in Mexico, and also in SPAIN, and maybe some other countries, also. this WORLD is getting just plain RIDICULOUS !!!

184 Kevin Garth April 3, 2014 at 8:18 pm

Exactly which part of this logo suggests a Mexican Man? I see a person sitting wearing a sombrero under a palm tree. Are mexicans the only people that wear sombreros and sit under palm trees??? Not in my experience. But I guess if your this easily offended then perhaps you should climb out from under the palm tree.

185 JESUS April 27, 2014 at 8:58 pm

IT DEPICTS SIESTA AND NOTHING ELSE. WE MEXICANS ARE PROUD OF OUR SIESTAS

186 Bill May 6, 2014 at 6:21 am

S.Knudson hit the ball on the sweet spot. When I lived in Campbell. CA 40 yrs ago I first started playing golf and the first course I played was Pasatiempo. It was my escape from the pressure of business. I “passed the time” enjoying the impossible pursuit of perfection in golf. Whenever I return my course of choice is not Pebble, Spyglass or other great venues, it’s Pasatiempo. I cherish the logo and the love of the pastime it represents. To change the logo would deny the relaxed challenge that the sport of golf can represent. Mexicans to their credit, and Europeans I might add, understand that our daily labors need a break from our economic pursuit. The same people who want to change it are the same who see a half filled glass as half empty.

187 wayne mcclary June 3, 2014 at 4:30 pm

definitely not. politically correctness is b.s.

188 GARY June 3, 2014 at 4:45 pm

it seems like a nice enough logo, i’m sure there could be a better one, as well as a worse one.why people get uptight or concerned about these trivial matters is beyond a normal persons level of sensibilty . it’s a picture of a person sitting under a tree wearing a hat. that’s it. some will like it, some wont, most normal thinking people probably wont think twice about it after glancing at it for a second or two. there, i said my piece.

189 Rendell June 23, 2014 at 2:54 pm

If no one is complaining now, then let it go. Ask a local or write to Ask a Mexican if you want a more outlandish response that may lend a little more authenticity to the debate. I think it suits the Santa Cruz community to keep the logo as is.

190 Richard June 24, 2014 at 12:28 pm

Hey the logo represents relaxation, leisure, recreation on a beautiful day.
Don’t sweat the small stuff enjoy the game have fun.
Cheers Richard

191 Mark July 2, 2014 at 3:56 pm

The logo isn’t insulting because it wasn’t meant to be.

There’s a John Wayne saying: If you think I’ve insulted you, you’re mistaken. If I’ve insulted you, you’ll know it.

Pasatiempo is a wonderful course with great people, and a history of great people…like MacKenzie.

The name means hobby, or pastime.

As Jimmy Buffett says – and he knows relaxing – Breathe In, Breathe Out, Move On

192 dennis goode July 8, 2014 at 12:20 pm

i have played pasatiempo many times. i lived in san francisco and went to school at SF State, my most wonderful memories of such a grand and valuable venue as this, is among my most precious. i have no problem with the logo as it is in the eyes of the beholder, example: you see a lazy worker under a tree or a hard working man taking a break can only be your expression. very personal and only the way you see it. if i were to offer any insight it would be a logo of the first fairway with the ocean and santa cruz in the back ground what a incredible sight. what a wonderful course, allister was a artist.

193 Mort Rothbard July 9, 2014 at 12:01 am

How ridiculous. This political correctness stuff has gone way too far. Leave it alone. If someone is offended by their own culture then change the culture, not the logo.

194 James Lopez August 22, 2014 at 11:53 pm

I don’t find it offensive at all.

195 Sergio Barajas August 26, 2014 at 12:29 pm

I am Mexican and I feel offended. This Logo should be re-designed. But not because it offend to Mexicans, but for me it offend the practice of Golf! If Pasa-tiempo’s logo means playing golf, this logo do not represent go to enjoy time in a Golf course, I don’t associate Golf with laziness but rather more with challenges, be daring or risk taking. As a regular golfer I know that almost every golfer needs to negotiate their visit to the golf course with their family, for the time of a round of golf and the 19th. hole’s steal from family’s time, so I don’t picture a golfer telling any family member…. can see this logo???? that’s what I am going to do at the Pasatiempo’s Golf course. It would make harder the negotiation. Pasatiempo’s should look for new ideas about how their golf course should be associated.

196 Rich September 23, 2014 at 1:26 pm

Well out of all the responses, three entries state offensive. That should be a clue to the offended that they are deviant of the norm. Or not. Freedom of … something. I forget the principals our nation was founded on. Certainly is freedom of logo.

197 Jo K September 27, 2014 at 11:13 am

Ask yourself a few quick questions…..
How do you know the person portrayed is:
A) a man
B) of Mexican, Central or Latin American heritage, descent, etc.
The logo is absolutely perfect for the name of the golf course.
Next thing you know people will start saying the FONT is all wrong in the name of PC.
Wait, let’s just have all golf courses have their name in a government mandated font with a picture of a golf ball.
That might be offensive to people with dimples though!

The World is falling apart and this is what people are concerned with?

198 Gene R. October 29, 2014 at 3:34 pm

It’s PC run amuck. I’m Mexican decent and this logo is cool…..having a Spanish course name celebrates the history of the area. Real silly to criticize this logo. Good course name……..good logo. Some people have too much time on their hands. Just because a very few don’t like it…….shouldn’t send people running around trying to please the 100%.

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