Follow our advice below to score coveted Bethpage Black tee times (18th hole pictured).
Several readers have asked what we recommend in terms of how to get on Long Island, New York’s Bethpage Black course, site of the 2002 and 2009 U.S. Opens.
As you probably know, the U.S. Open was held at Bethpage Black in 2002 and most recently on June 15-21, 2009 , so it’s more popular than ever. And, for out-of-staters, it’s that much tougher to get on because New York residents can make tee times up to seven days in advance; for everyone else, it’s only two days. Keep in mind, too, that the course is closed during winter and on non-holiday Mondays.
As for how to get on, you have a couple options: 1) use Bethpage’s tee time reservation system, 2) go the infamous route of trying to walk-on at the crack of dawn, which often involves camping out in your car, or 3) pay a huge premium to a little-known company that may be able to get you a tee time on your preferred day of play. Let’s cover the first option first.
Before anyone can use Bethpage’s reservation system, they must become a registered user. To register, you have to fax a copy of your driver’s license AND write or type out all of the information that appears on the front of it, plus your telephone number (an email address would help, too), in case the image is unreadable via the fax.
If you’re not a New York resident, you are also encouraged to include your Social Security number, which will become your reservation system account number. It’s not required (they’ll assign you a number, otherwise), but it will expedite processing. It usually takes between one and three days before you’re officially “in” the system.
The number to FAX your materials to is: 516-753-0413. The tee time reservation line is: 516-249-0707. Again, out-of-state residents can only make tee times two days in advance of the intended date of play. (Note that when Bethpage says “two days,” it means you can begin calling at 7 p.m. two days before you’d like to play. So, for instance, if you plan to play on a Saturday morning, you have to wait until 7 p.m. on Thursday night to make a reservation.) New York residents can reserve seven days out. Sometimes, it’s good to call the night before you wish to play because there are often cancellations.
In addition to a $4 reservation fee, the green fee is:
- Weekdays: $50 (NY residents) $100 (non-residents)
- Weekends: $60 (NY residents) $120 (non-residents)
Your second option for getting on Bethpage Black, as mentioned above, is to try and walk on, as all of the first hour’s tee times (which begin at 6:30 am), and one slot per hour thereafter, are made available on a first-come, first-served basis, according to the Bethpage brass.
Walk-on hopefuls typically arrive at Bethpage in the afternoon or early evening the day before they wish to play, backing their cars into the designated and numbered “overnight” parking spaces. At about 6:45 pm, a Bethpage official hands out wrist bands, one per car, which confirms the order for the next morning’s ticket dispersement.
It is these tickets, handed out between 4-4:30 am, which allow you to purchase your round of golf. It used to be that only one player in the group needed a ticket, but now every person has to have their own ticket. [Note: If you want a caddie ($60 plus tip) or locker room use for the day ($10), pay for them at the same time as your green fee as you probably won't have time to get through the long cashier line again.]
Overnighters should consider bringing a tent or sleeping bag, too. Cars aren’t conducive to sleeping, and, if you choose to bed down on the root-laden grassy area near the parking lot, you’ll need more than your golf towel to stay warm and comfortable.
Better yet, get a hotel room nearby. Remember, only your car has to stay put to maintain your place in line. As long as you’re back before the tickets are handed out in the morning, you’re golden.
From our experience and stories from people we know, if you’re one of the first few cars in line, you’ll likely get out in the morning. Later arrivals will likely get out, too, but it probably won’t be until the afternoon. Either way, if you go this route to get on Bethpage Black, you’ll be spending a good deal of time just waiting around, so bring a good book and/or some good beer.
Finally, I’d be remiss if I didn’t mention one other option for getting on Bethpage Black, though it’s better suited to those for whom money is not an object. NYGolfShuttle.com sells Bethpage Black packages that include the green fee and round-trip transportation from Manhattan for $750 ($400 per person for a foursome). At 15 times the in-state green fee, it is a huge premium, but convenience does have its price.
Here’s a separate tip on a more economical way to get to Bethpage Black from New York City and suggestions on where to stay near Bethpage.
Thanks goes to reader Troy D. from Cincinnati, who shared his recent experience and contributed some of these tips on how to get on Bethpage Black.
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Thanks for the details. It’s difficult to find information on the course! Any idea what information must you present when actually showing up for the tee time? Would it be possible to have a NY resident (non golfer) make the tee time and then not show up as part of the foursome?
The person who makes the reservation must show up with a valid driver’s license an hour before the tee time or the Bethpage folks will give ALL FOUR slots away to the walk-ups. Exceptions are sometimes made in the case of emergencies, but I wouldn’t advise trying to game the system — as you can imagine, these people have seen and heard it all. Good luck!
On option #2 (camp out / walk on) any idea what time people start showing up in the parking lot on the weekends to play the next day?
In summer, when it’s really crazy out there, it can be as early as the afternoon before. Some people make a tailgating experience out of it. You park in numbered parking spaces near the tennis bubble. If you have a foursome, only one person needs to stay with the car initially, but when they begin handing out the tickets the next morning, the whole group must be present.
What are the chances of two golfers showing up to park on a Thursday evening about 10pm wanting to play on Friday?
Does it pay for an out of state golfer to even attempt the tee time reservation system? We want to play on Friday, July 18th so I assume weekdays are at least a little better than weekends………thanks for any help.
Response to question 1: 10 pm seems a bit late. The wrist bands (which determine the next day’s ticket dispersement) are handed out at around 6:45 pm. Most people arrive well before then. Response to question 2: Yes, it pays. If you can secure a reservation, you have a guaranteed tee time. True, weekdays are less busy than weekends, but there’s more chance involved taking the walk-on route. Hope this helps.
To make a reservation 7 days in advance, does everyone in the foursome need to be an NY resident? Or can one NY resident make a foursome reservation that includes players from out of state?
K B, As long as the party making the reservation is, in fact, a New York resident and has their driver’s license on file with the park, then they can make the reservation seven days in advance, as usual. Even if their guests are from out of state.
We did get a two day advance tee time (11:03) as an out of state golfer. The key for us was a very hot weekend in NYC which I’m certain kept some of the locals away, a tip to consider if you happen to be in town during sultry weather. When we checked in an hour early, there were even tee times still available for noon and later. The pro shop told us there were several cancellations. Unless you’re in great shape, either get a caddy or rent ($5) a pull cart. Also remember to get a couple Gatorades at 6 and 12 as #9 is nowhere near the clubhouse. A great time but more of a workout than I expected, although it was 97 degrees. One final tip; if you miss the fairways, the bunkers are a much better option than the rough (hay) since you just can’t advance the ball much from there, assuming you even find it. Tom P.
Question: I’m a NY resident and want to play Black. Do you know what time I can start calling for a Saturday a.m. tee-time? Is it the previous Saturday at 7 p.m.? That Saturday at 5 a.m. (they say that’s when the pro shop opens)? Thanks for the help. Also, if you’re not going to get on Black, what is the next best one to play? Many thanks
DK, We mention in the tip above that call-in times do, in fact, start at 7 p.m. seven days before you’d like to make a reservation if you’re a New York resident. So get on the line at 7 that Saturday evening. If the Black isn’t available, we’ve always preferred the Red course as the first alternative.
1. After I send in the registration info, is there any confirmation that I’m “in” the system? or do I call to find out? 2. Are the odds of getting on good for a single golfer calling the night before? 3. I play to an index of 12, will I be surrounded by single digits and feel out of place? I understand my score may not be great, but I can keep pace just fine. appreciate any feedback. Thanks
1. I wouldn’t wait around for a confirmation. Rather, just call the reservation line a couple days after you apply to see if your account number is recognized. 2. Yes, in most tight tee-time situations, it’s always easier for a single to squeeze in at the last minute than larger sized groups. 3. You will absolutely NOT feel out of place with a 12 handicap. In fact, you might be the best player in your group! Despite the famous sign advising that only highly skilled players attempt Bethpage Black, the reality is that everyone plays it.
Based on all the helpful advice, I was able to get on as an out-of-towner, although it was easier as a single. Calling the night before can get you some last minute cancellation spots. A few additional tips. 1)Don’t use your real social security #, I simply changed a few of my digits for privacy. 2) Bring a distance measuring device. While all sprinkler heads are marked, you sometimes have to walk around to find one. There are no stakes. 3)make sure you take water. There are a few fountains, but don’t rely on them. No cart girls but you do hit the halfway at #6/12. You DO NOT want to run out of water for the home stretch of 15-17, although the beer tastes great in the very nice wood paneled bar if you suffered.4)If you cannot drive the ball 260-270 onto narrow fairways, make sure you warm up your hybrid/long iron game at the practice range and hope your short game bails you out. Otherwise you can be staring at a double-bogey on a lot of holes.5) DO NOT be late, they are not sympathetic. You must sign in 1 hour before tee time, expect line-ups plus NYC traffic. A truly majestic place. Look forward to reminiscing when I watch the 09 Open.
We are planning a day trip to The Black from Virginia (about a 5 hour drive). We were planning on arriving the night before. What happens if you arrive after the 6:45 time when they hand out the numbers? If we arrive at 10:00 and camp out on Wednesday night to play on a Thursday in October, will we be ok? Thanks for you response.
If you completely miss the wrist band dispersal that evening, what you’re effectively trying to do is get a same-day, walk-on tee time the following morning…at Bethpage Black…as an out-of-state resident. To use a golf phrase: that’s not a high percentage shot. So why risk it? Just leave a few hours earlier. You should try to arrive well before 6:45 anyway. As we say above, “Walk-on hopefuls typically arrive at Bethpage in the afternoon or early evening…”
I will be staying in Manhattan and hoping to get out to Bethpage Black as a single mid week. What is the best mode of transportation? Thanks for you response.
We have our tickets to the 2009 Open. Where is the public parking to be? We have also booked rooms in Rockville Center. Is that OK for a train to Bethpage of would Hickville be better? Or, is that OK to get to a public parking then bus it? Thanks Linda
Not sure where the public parking will be. Best to check with the organizers, the USGA (usga.org). If you stay in Rockville Center, you’d have to backtrack a bit by train before heading to Bethpage — it might take you an hour and 25 minutes as opposed to staying in Hicksville, which is only 25 minutes by train.
One more question as I prepare for my trip to Bethpage next week. Is it pretty obvious where the parking lot is where the wristbands are dispersed? What time would you recomend parking on a Tuesday night after Columbus Day? We are driving up from DC area on Monday night. Which course would you recomend playing the day before we camp out to play the back? The RED is getting aerated on Tuesday, so that is out. Thanks.
At the end of the main entrance road, there’s a cul-de-sac bag drop; the attendants will direct you to the proper parking area. If it were me, I’d try to be parked no later than 2-4 pm. If the Red course is closed, the next best option is the Blue. Good luck!
Is camping in a tent by your car really an option for those out-of-towners parking overnight, or is that considered “improper use of the grounds”? Also, I have relatives who live near Stony Brook. Does it make sense to get the wrist bands and then metro (since we have to leave our car) to Stony Brook for a good night sleep? Would we have to return too early for metro the next day?
Not sure what the “official” rule is, but we’ve definitely known people who have slept in tents and/or sleeping bags. The Stoney Brook idea might work. Check the train schedule at: http://www.mta.info (click on Long Island Rail Road) to determine whether the timetables work out.
Just got back from a trip to the New York/Long Island area. Drove to the parking lot around 10 PM on Sunday night October 12th (day before Columbus Day). Black was going to be open on the Monday because of the holiday. I was the 6th car in line and wristbands were not given out until 6 AM the next morning along with the numbered ticket to enter the pro shop. Some of the people ahead of me in the car line were not playing black but were playing Red. I ended up (as a single) in the 3rd tee time (8:07). First tee time was 7:54. Great time, played in 4:45, very difficult and brutal course, sand everywhere. Would do it again in a heartbeat.
As you read these comments, most readers will think, “what a headache, why would anyone deal with this to play a round?”. On behalf of everyone who has played The Black, let me make this clear- it’s totally worth it. We played, most recently, as out-of-staters the first week of Nov.2008. Conditions were excellent, considering everything. The fairways and rough were already the U.S.Open set up for 2009. The course is visually amazing, is kept in very good condition for a muni, and is a real test of golf. The property is enormous. Good luck, and may you break 90.
I just read through all these comments and as someone who lives 5 minutes from and grew up on these courses, you should enjoy it. Just as information, Stony Brook is really far from Bethpage. As noted Hicksville( I know a funny name for NY) is the absolute best place to get train service to the Open, I did it in 02. Rockville Centre is a nice area and the hotels/motel are decent but you do have to backtrack to Jamaica on the babylon line to pick up the mainline. Jones beach was the general parking area in ‘02 and is at least 30 minutes away. USGA does an outstanding job of operating shuttle buses but it’s still far. try buying parking passes on Ebay for SUNY Farmingdale. Enjoy
4 years ago while on an RV trip, we tried to get on via the “walk-on” lot. Security didn’t like our RV one bit, but with a little bribery, we were allowed to stay. Anybody know what the official policy is today?
Let me advise you that the best way to play this course is find someone who’s a resident to get you on. I played with my brothers friends who are residents. All my other attempts to get on failed. I played middle of june last year and it was the best and worst time i ever had. Playing that course was amazing but the pain and numbness in my legs the next day was painful. Don’t rent the push cart get a caddy or get a good push cart that has 3 wheels. The rentals are old and a little beat up and walking up and down hills all day becomes very tiering especially lugging around your clubs in the summer. Also it was previously mentioned bring plenty of water or gatorade. And last but not least practice at the driving range and bring extra golf ball i don’t care what your handicap is you will loose some balls. After playing i realized that my score wasn’t as important as the amount of balls i had left in my bag. But it is truely a great course intimidating but great. I hope my information was useful and i hope you enjoy playing the dreaded black course.
I am just wondering as a single what are the chances of showing up mid week and playing the black that day, I would be coming from Toronto and would rather see if I can walk on rather than camping out, played Pebble Beach last year, hoping to add another Open venue to my game this year.
I’d guess that your chances aren’t great if you’re trying to play before this year’s US Open as the course will only be open for half days through May. After the event, they’ll go back to full days, but you can be sure there’s going to be a tremendous spike in demand. The general rule of thumb with Bethpage Black is, the earlier you get there, the better, which is why people go the night before.
I understand the Black will be closing 2 weeks prior to the Open. Is it true that it will also be closed following the Open? I caddie there regularly and would like to plan out my schedule. I also heard they are instituting a caddie program this year,(not the junior caddie program for kids), but it’s only rumor
Hi Monte. This was explained above: “The course will then close for the tournament and remain closed until two to four weeks afterward.” Hope to see you out there!
Craig, thanks for the great info. When does Black open for play in 2009? Trying to arrange an early April visit but have heard it won’t be available for play until the 15th. Will Red or the others be open if Black is closed?
Last we checked, we were told “mid April.” Not sure there is a firm date yet as it largely depends on the weather. And, lately, the weather in the NY Metro area would not seem conducive to an earlier opening — it’s fr-fr-freezing here!
Just got back from the clubhouse. The Black course will open April 11-May 31. It will remain close after the Open until July 1. If the course is in good condition after the Open, it could open as early as the following Saturday.
Back to the main topic, I attempt to play the Black once a year, always mid-week, but it seems almost impossible to get through to the automated tee time system. I am a resident and I call at exactly 6:59 pm one week in advance (it usually tells me that I called too early). When I have succeeded it usually takes about 10-15 minutes of harried dialing and redialing resulting in a tee time later than 11 am. Is there a trick to this process that I am missing?
Can you provide some guidelines for tipping a caddie that charges $60? i.e. what is the range for the total s/he should pocket for carrying one bag vs. two bags. I really appreciate your input as I am always at a loss of what should be paid.
I caddie at Beth black all season and what I charge, as do all the better caddies, is $75 plus tip. This usually works out to $100 per bag. This is based on carrying 2 bags. Most caddies won’t take a ’single’ unless it’s really slow. Since the caddies show up by 7:00, wait several hours for a loop, then walk almost 51/2 hours with the bag, it’s an investment of approx 10 hours, and the price for one bag is usually not enough. Some singles will offer more just to secure a caddie. They have a ‘junior’ caddie program, who’s caddies charge a little less, but you get what you pay for. Be careful not to commit to the first caddie who approaches you. There are some bad ones around. They’ll introduce themselves to you as soon as you exit your car, and then feel they have a claim to you if you decide to take a caddie. To avoid this problem, just say “No thank you” and continue on to the clubhouse. Many times the better caddies congregate there and don’t need to troll the parking lot for customers.
How much to tip a caddie depends on so many things, I can’t give you a quick answer. But what I can do is devote an upcoming post to this important topic as there are likely others wondering the same thing.
At least two tee times a day are blocked out, either to be given to late arriving “VIP’s”, or just to help create spacing on the course. Also, it is rumored that officials of the course hold some earlier times for friends or as favors to ‘connected’ golfers.
What time on the day before do cars start parking for the overnight stay to get on the Black course. If I got there before noon on the day before would i have a good chance of getting a parking spot.
It’s going to be very difficult to get on Black before July. From openong day till May 31, tee times will be between 8:00-1:00 only, with only 4 or 5 groups an hour. That’s 24-30 groups a day. After the Open, it will return to normal, 7:30AM-3:30PM, groups every 8 minutes.
I have asked this question to many people (even those who have played), and no one can answer it. What time do cars start showing up for the overnight wait for a chance to play Black.
James, this is mentioned in the main article above and, I believe, in the comments, too.
I grew up about 10 miles from the Black and have played it approx 20 times, at one time carding an 83 from Whites (there are no red tees). I am playing it again on April 22, 2009, only my 4th time since the Open was announced in 2002 and will be happy to break 110 since 2 young kids have cut into my playing time tremendously. A lot of good information here and I just wanted to add that believe it or not it is sometimes easier to carry your clubs then use a pull cart. Many greens are roped off a good 25-40 yards before the green, forcing you to pull your cart all the way around the bunkers surrounding the green. Also, pulling your cart up 15, coming off 17, and up 18 after putting out can be more tiring then just carrying your bag. A small trick on 15, aka HeartAttack Hill is to leave your bag between 15/16, bring your putter, driver, and 1 or 2 wedges with you if you’re not on the green. I got a tee time by stroke of pure dumb luck..friend jokingly said its 7pm call the tee time reservation system..hahaha..so I did..2 busy signals and then 3rd time WHAM!! ..got in..must be Karma for being such a good guy..hehe.. Seems to be a lot of helpful locals here, but if anyone needs anything specifically feel free to email me at golfnut1266@aol.com….I’ll check back after Wed with my Round report…(if I’m alive)….:) tm.
It’s even better to use a caddie. I happened to be a Bethpage registered caddie, and only registered and approved caddies are eligible to work the Black. If anyone wants to prearrange for caddie service here, I will be happy to help. There are currently 10-15 caddies being used by the Bethpage officials for golfers. Of these 6 or 7 are surperior to the rest; excellent greens readers, good with club selection, and overall efficient and courteous servive. If you would like to get a top quality caddie when you play thee Black, contact me here and I will give you the proceure for securing one. Enjoy your round.
Hey Monte! We’re playing the Black this Wednesday 4/22/09..I was told to just pop in the Pro Shop after paying Greens fees to secure Caddies. Is there something different?
That is the current system. After you pay in the Pro shop, the will assign you next available caddy or caddies, depending on whether you need 2 or 4 bags carried. This guaranttes you a caddy, but not necessarily a good one, just the next one on the list. Right now there is a wide range in the abailities of the caddies. If you’d like to, contact me at 516 316 8936 and I will make sure you get 2 top quality caddies. As I’ve said before, I am close with about 6 other caddies who I have no trouble recommending. We all get call backs and referrals and network with each other when we get calls for caddies and need more than one. If you are going to do this, you must inform the Pro shop at least 24 hours prior that you have your own caddies, otherwise they will insist you use ones they give you. Pls call me today, Monday, or early Tuesday, if you want to try it this way. You won’t be disappointed.
Note to James W about the car lineup. I went to a party at the club house this past weekend and there were 5 or 6 cars there at 6:45pm on Friday.
Thanks for the info Pete G. I am hoping to get on Black my driving down from upstate New York early one day and parking until the next day. I hope that works. It would be a week day.
Weekday probably the best and I notice the tents have already started to go up so you may be limited playing the Red or Green. Got my tickets yesterday, thanks to the USGA for giving those of us living closer to the course better parking.
How do you get your access #? I registered with the system 1 1/2 weeks ago? Thanks
Could be a backup due to a flood of applications. I’d give them a call to inquire.
I’m heading out there to play the Black next week Thursday. I have registered to make a tee time but I’m not too optimistic. I will not be able to get to the park until 1 or 2 in the morning. Is there any chance I’ll get a walk on spot? We are a twosome. Thanks for the insight
Rich O you have to call them for your registration number. I waited 3 days and heard nothing, then called and got it from an operator.
i called this morning and got my #. wish me luck. Thanks guys.
what are the chances of a single or double showing up on a monday or tuesday morning in july and getting out? Figured weekdays would obviously be less busy.
Course is usually closed on Mondays, but I would think your chances would be better than 50/50, becaus they will be back to normal schedule then.
I stopped by today to check it out. There were only 2 cars at 2 oclock. I would have been the 3rd but I have to work tomorrow, (boo hoo). Place looks amazing. I might try sleeping there thursday or friday.
The “Black” may reopen as early as 4 days after the Open. Check the phone system as those first reopen day reservation will not be 7 days ahead, because of the uncertainty surrounding the exact date. You may get a res. 2 days before your scheduled date/tee time. Thank you to those here who have used me as your caddy, and I will continue to be available once the course reopens. Please notify me at least 3 days before you will be playing, if you are interested in my service. Once again, my rates are the same as the park rates. montebrown@aol.com 516-316-8936
If you try and fail to get on the Black course, what are the chances of getting on the lessor-in-demand courses? Is it a pretty sure thing to be able to get on the Red course, or not so much? Or the Blue course or Green or Yellow. Can you pretty much just show up and play the Yellow? Is it worth making the effort just to play the other courses? Also are the rates for the other courses the same?
In my opinion, the Red course is the only other course worth going out of your way for. They often hold tournaments and qualifying events on the Red. Not to diminish the conditions of the other 3 courses (Blue, Green, Yellow), because they are in superb condition, especially for muni tracts and the amount of play they get. When the Black was redone, the staff did not neglect the other 4 courses. However, the Green, Yellow and Blue are not worth going out of your way for if you have decent tracts near your hometown. Believe it or not, even as a single, you may have to wait 2-3 hours before teeing off, especially on weekends. It’s the luck of the draw, sometimes you can get a time within 30 minutes as well. Just in case anybody was wondering, the difficulty of the courses are as follows (hardest-easiest): Black, Red, Blue, Green, Yellow. (Although some will argue that Blue and Red should be reversed and there’s no arguing that the front 9 of the Blue is as tough as any 9 holes out there, but the back 9 is considerably easier (the 2 nines were built at different times), while the Red gives you 18 strong holes. Good Luck!
That’s kinda what we figured. We will try to have everyone dial in and use both ID’s. Do you know if it will let you re-enter the reservation ID (so we can put in the second #) or will it just end the call? I assume it would have to or anyone who fat-fingered their number would be really upset.
We have 8 players who we are hoping to get on the Black course. If we are able to break through the reservation system (we have two NY-ers who are registered) can we make both tee times during a single call? We don’t really have to play in back to back tee times, but it would obviously be preferred. Thanks!
That’s a very good question. I caddy at the black and I’ve never heard of anyone getting 2 tee times on only one phone call, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t possible. To play it safe, have several guys calling at once, that will increase your chances of getting thru and of getting 2 tee times close to each other.
“We have 8 players who we are hoping to get on the Black course. If we are able to break through the reservation system (we have two NY-ers who are registered) can we make both tee times during a single call? We don’t really have to play in back to back tee times, but it would obviously be preferred. Thanks!” Unfortunately the answer to this is No. Once a reservation is made under one #, the system will end the call. If you try and make another reservation during a subsequent call with the same #, the system will tell you that you already have a reservation.
I plan on going out on a Tuesday or Wednesday in July. If show up at 6 or 7 as a single. What time could I get out by? How much is a caddy typically cost?
Just wondering, I was at the Open on the Sunday and saw all the damage to the Black, will that push back the open date? There is alot of work to be done, re-sodding and such, I was planning an August trip as a single.
From what I heard, the black should be reopening June 30. Anyone needing a good caddy, please contact me. I am an experienced Bethpage Black caddy, and registered with the pro shop there. My rate is the same as the course rate, $75 plus gratuity. I prefer to carry 2 bags, and anyone coming as a foursome, let me know and I will arrange for another good caddy to be available. While half the caddies employed at Bethpage are adequate, only a handful, 5 or 6, are exceptional, and many are just bag toters and don’t understand club selection or read greens. Contact me if interested, at montebrown@aol.com, or 516 316 8936. Once again, thanks to those of you who have used me this spring.
I heard the same as Monte, approx June 28-30 for re-opening…I was there today (50% off sale on merchandise) and it’s hard to imagine them being ready for play in 1 week. The other courses were more affected by the set-up and may suffer from temp tees or greens on 1 or 2 holes until they get fairways back in shape… Caddies are $75+ tip PER BAG, usually $100 total per bag. As for getting on as a single in July??…Major crapshoot…the day of the week will not matter since they only have 6 tee times per hour, ..but don’t be surprised if you show up at 6a or 7a and can’t get on until 2p-3p, if at all….when I was younger I’d walk up and get an afternoon tee time on Black then grab a morning time on one of the other course and play 36..exhausting day considering you have to walk Black and we’d usually walk the morning round. Just to clear up the phone res discussion above..once you make a reservation it will end the call…you CANNOT re-enter a different ID..you’ll have to call back. Good Luck! tm
Just to follow-up..I called the Pro Shop (516-249-0700), the Black will re-open June 29. It will be closed July 1 for just the day. As a side note to local players: Holes #1 and #18 on BOTH the Red & Green will play as Par 3’s. Holes #1& #10 on BOTH the Yellow & Blue will play as par 3’s. (This info can be heard on the automated line (516-249-0707)). These holes suffered the most damage due to Hospitality & Merchandise Tents being placed there.
Does the reservation system always give you the message that you are trying to make a reservation on a day that reservations are not yet being taken when in fact that tee time is not available? I do not understand why when calling, the system either gives you the next available tee time, or just gives you a message that no tee times are available on that day. How do callers actually get a tee time via the reservation system? Does anyone know of a strategy to use when you do get through? I am trying to get on the Black course.
James, (I am assuming that you are registered in their system) you have to call one week in advance at 7 pm. If you want to play on a Wednesday, call the prior Wednesday at 7 pm. You’ll get busy signals and/or a recorded message saying all lines are busy, however if you do get through you should immediately press 1 (to make a reservation). Then go through the sequence of key punches to get your reservation. I suggest trying this out during a week day to get the right sequence figured out. Note, if you call on Wednesday (in the example) before 7 pm, you will get a message saying that are not yest being taken. Good luck.
I need to clarify my comment above. I meant to ask why can’t they have a system that either gives you the next available tee time on the Black or a message that says no tee times are available. What are the valid tee times? Are they every 8 minutes starting at 6:30AM?
Tim – Thanks for the reply, but I was not thinking we could make both tee times during the single call so let me rephrase: If I call and use the first ID, and it tells me that there is already a res associated with that #, that means that one of the other guys already got in with that one. So I am not really making a res with that first number during my call, it is giving me an “error”. Will it prompt me to re-enter at that point, so I can put in my second ID or will it just hang up? If not, we will all probably have to get online and be more coordinated. Hate to get through and then get hung up on. Hope that makes sense.
me and my buddy tried for an hour and a half last nit before finally getting through and nothing, lol. Everything was taken. someone get a tee time and just invite me, haha
John, I recommend just calling during the day and see if you can switch between IDs in one call. Try getting a tee time ona different course, with the first # and then see if there is a way to change the ID# whixch you are logged in with. Rich, I called last night and got a noon tee time in 5 minutes. It’s just a matter of luck. Monte, I will need one or two caddies. Can I expect to pay you $200 total to carry 2 bags?
That is awesome. We dialed non stop and only had got a time for the red course. We will have to try again today.
Yes Kamel, $200 is fine. If you’ll need another caddy, give me adequate time to arrange for one, about 3 days. Also, I’ll need your date and tee time and the name the res is under, to notify the pro shop that you are bringing your own caddy. Otherwise, they may try and force you to use whoever they have on the grounds at the time you check in. They request a minimum of 1 day prior notice if golfers are bringing their own caddies. Thank you and feel free to contact me by phone or email.
James: If you get through prior to 7pm (system time), it will tell you that you have called before tee times have been released, assuming you are registered in the system. If you’re not registered in the system, it will only allow you to make a reservation 2 days in advance and you will hear that message. I suggest calling them directly (516-249-0700) to make sure your # is valid, they suspended mine for failure to cancel within 48 hours (it was raining night before) and they banged me for $20 bucks! Trying to reason with the staff over there is beyond fruitless, as I tried explaining to the woman that I would never have cancelled if the weather was playable. But if the course is open, you’re expected to show up, or pay late cancellation fee, which is FAR better than the dreaded no show fee. If you fail to cancel your reservation on ANY course over there, they charge you an astounding $80 (20 per player)!!!..and they still make money off your time as they will re-post it on the board within 20 min of scheduled tee time. But I digress…. If there are no tee times available, it clearly states, “There are no tee times available” on the recorded message. (I know this message all too well). I believe first tee time is around 5:30am right now and on Black they are every 9 minutes, but they usually block 1 tee time per hour to “space the course”..otherwise known as, in case someone really important shows up we can get them out within an hour.
Monte: I sent you a text…are you and friend available this coming Tues June 30 for 4 bags total around 2pm?? Thanks Tim
Hi Tim. I am available for that time. I’m also booked for an outing on the Black Weds morn at 7:00 AM, so my legs and back should be pretty tired by Weds eve. I will get a second excellent caddy as well.I need your exact tee time and the name it is booked under so I can inform the pro shop that you have contracted for your own caddies, otherwise the may try and stick you with a couple of bag toters for the same fee. This needs to be done at least 24 hours prior to your tee time. Also, very important, PLS bring carry bags w/legs and empty them of those extra 20 or so practice balls most golfers carry around. You won’t need more than 5 or 6, unless your prone to hitting some occasional sharp hooks or extreme fades. Then bring a dozen.I have 2 lightweight carry bags you can use if you don’t have your own. I got your text message and will call you tomorrow to firm up. Remember, the Black doesn’t close for rain, unless it’s really heavy. Talk to you soon and thanks. Monte
LOL…5 or 6 balls!?!?! I’ll lose that by the 5th or 6th hole!….I’m a hacker extraordinaire and will probably lose at least a dozen balls.. if you’re expecting PGA pros perhaps I’ll arrange through ProShop. As for my bag, it is what it is…not sure if this will work if you’re already making demands on the # of balls I carry and type of bag I bring…..
Hey Tim, don’t worry about the # of balls you’ll need, take what you think is necessary. We always request that golfers leave those scuffed balls they carry but never use out. Any bag with legs is fine. That way the caddy doesn’t have to lay the bag on the grass which is often damp, and have the grips pick up moisture and dirt. As I said, I have extra bags if you only have a cart type bag. You’ll all have a great time.
Cool….now if we can ever get it to stop raining here on Long Island!! 22 days of rain out of 26 this month!! Unbelievable! Anybody want any souvenir divots?? Sure hope we get to play this Tuesday! Monte: I got your voicemail, but can’t call from work right now…but I’ll definitely be in touch…..I can’t wait to try out my Father’s Day present…Callaway uPro GPS…anybody have any experience with this unit??
Dennis G: I’m playing there tomorrow (June 30-Tues), so I’ll try and get a feel for what the wait situation is like since it’s the same day of week you’re looking at….
I am planning on planning to play the black as a twosome and sleeping in the car thing. I was wondering what time do I need to get at the lot we are driving from boston 4 hr drive. Looking to play during mid week tuesday or Wednesday. Also to see if any one knows a good public course to play on the ride down? Thanks.
I just found this site and am thrilled with all the helpful information. I have read everyone’s comments and want to thank all those for their experiences getting on and playing the black. I plan on being “the car” showing up early for my foursome to play the next day. I will likely get their by noon the day before (mid week). A few questions: 1) If I get there at noon and end up in a spot between 1 and 6, does this guarantee me a time for the next day? If so, I can contact the “other guys” so they can plan accordingly. 2) I plan on playing between mid Sept to mid Oct, 2009. What is the condition of the course during that time? When do they typically aerate the greens on the black course? Do they also over-seed during that window? 3) Back in 2002, how crazy was it to get a walk on slot during Sept-Oct timeframe? 4) I definitely will want to hire caddies. Is the day before too late to get the experienced loopers? Thanks in advance, Paul from PA.
Hey Paul, welcome to the insanity!..Yes, if you are one of the first 6 cars, you are guranteed a tee time, actually you will have one of the first 6 tee times of the day, as the first hour is reserved for “car-sleepers”, then 1 tee time per hour is reserved for walk-ups. As for mid-Sept-mid Oct conditions, this is my fave time of year to play golf on Long Island, but it can be cool in the mornings. I would say the weather is very similar to PA weather. As for course conditions that time of year, I don’t know the aeration schedule or seeding schedule. You can always call 516-249-0700 and ask, or ask for Pro Shop and ask them. I never recommend a 4some hoping to secure a walk up time unless you’re sleeping in car….as a single you may get lucky, but 4 somes are hard to snag. SOmedays tyhere are no-shows and you could get lucky and walk right into a 4 some tee time going off in 30 minutes..most times, however, it will be hours, if at all. Another thing to remember with that time of year, there is less daylight, so less tee times..although they will still let you go out at 4pm, knowing sun sets at 7 or so…which I NEVER recommend because the 9th hole doesn’t come back to the clubhouse..in fact the 9th hole is about as far away from the clubhouse as you can get..As for caddies, Monte is an active caddy who posts here regularly, so I’ll defer to him. I am actually playing today at 2pm and using Monte and another caddy recommended by Monte, so I’ll post my experience here in the next few days…don’t expect PGA stuff…due to 2 small kids I now only play 3-4 times a YEAR..so my realistic goal is to break 110.
Played yesterday..thanks Ron and Monte for caddying. Due to having a 4 and 1 yr old, I only get to play 3-4 times per year and I had zero expectations for my day, I only played because my friends from Jersey couldn’t get a tee time..set a goal of under 110. Started off as expected and ended front 9 with a 53, which included a par of par5 #7. My friend made a swing adjustment and moved ball positioning and back 9 was completely different story…shot 42 on back, including back-to-back pars on 13 and 14 and birdie on 18 (What a way to end it!!) for a 95 total with zero lost balls! Two of my friends shot a pair of 82’s from Blues, but they weren’t playing from tips..in fact Blues weren’t that far back from whites. Course is in awesome shape, even with the greens being aerated last week…they roll true, although my friend complained they weren’t sticking for his short approach shots. There are still divots from the Open, and their divots are so perfect! Quite a few holes still had grandstands and hospitality tents set up, which was cool. DENNIS G: There is an outing there today, course is closed, so I couldn’t gauge the overnight parking lot line. Driving range is still not open..think the woman said July 6. PAUL R: I asked about aeration and they weren’t sure of the fall schedule yet. Feel free to email me with any additional questions: golfnut1266@aol.com
Any idea where the comments since July 1st have gone? I had a question out there and was getting alerts that there were some responses, but now I don’t see anything since Tim M’s comment on 7/1.
The wonderful world of IT… My guess is the file got whacked and either the wrong backup was used to restore or they backup once per month (at the beginning of the month hence the July 1st last update).
You will like need to repost your questions…
I am traveling for work in a few weeks and want to get on Black on Tuesday morning as a single. Since I am flying in I would rather rent clubs than deal with the hassle and pay 50 dollars to ship my clubs to NY and back, do they have decent rental clubs or would it be a better option to try to bring my own?
Is there a problem for walk-ons to be a twosome and not a group of 4?
as an fyi for all, I called the course and it is closed on the following days:
07/22 thru 07/24
07/27 thru 07/29
I’ll be playing there within the month
G’day all. I’m presently planning a trip from Australia with my wife and hoping to be in NY from Sept 21. Have no clue on how to get onto Bethpage Black. Don’t think I’ll try to get my clubs on the plane but will stuff my shoes into luggage if I know I can get hire clubs . Booked into hotel in NY for 7 day trip. Anyone got any clues for me in arranging a hit on the course as a single. I’m a regular golfer in Australia. Thanks for anyones help on this.
hey so i am planning a trip in october(about the 20th) to go to NYC and play a round at bethpage. i am a single and i was wondering what kind of chance i would have of actually being able to reserve a tee time. or would the walk on be my best bet?
I am planning to to go to bethpage black on Aug. 14. The greens are to be top- dressed on Aug. 10. Has anyone played the course a few days after it has been top-dressed to know how much the greens are affected. I have played some courses that are playable right after top-dressing, and I have played some that take several weeks to be close to healed.
Hey- looking for an honest reaction. I’m not a good golfer. I usually hit 105 on other NYC muni courses. I would love to play Black this year (with a caddie). I play extremely fast and I do not hold anyone up. Generally- so long as the pace of play is kept- will it matter that I’m hacking away?
Thanks.
Hi, is it possible to drive in with an RV/camper instead of a car? Does it need to fit in a “car-size” parking space? We are thinking of having the four of us sleep overnight in a RV. THANKS
First of all I want to thank everyone on this site for all of the tips and information which helped me to get out on the Black last Friday. I’m from MA and spent the week on the Isaland on business. After my meetings on Thursday I drove to Bethpage around 2:30 pm and backed into spot #1. My brother in law was on his way down from Saratoga, NY to meet me. Unbelievable. We were guaranteed the first group out Friday morning. We had a great time (maybe too good of a time) tailgating in the parking lot with all of the others. Grabbed a couple of hours of sleep before the ranger rolled up to hand out the bakery tickets at around 4:30. We teed off at 6:41 with Rich and Mel from Queens, great guys. The course was absolutely brutal, but it was awesome to play the same holes where I watched the world greatest golfers play just 1 month earlier. My score was not what I hoped but I will be back in my quest to break 100. One other thing, as I rolled out of the parking lot at around 1:30 pm on Friday afternoon, there was already about 10 cars lined up for Saturday.
FYI: I spoke to the pro shop today. They said the Black greens will be aerated on August 10th (not just top dressed).
I have tee time for Sunday at 3:33, what are th echances of completing all 18 holes before dark? I see that sunset is schedyuled for 8:00 exactly.
Thanks
I played the Black today! What an amazing course, and experience. The round took 5.5 hours and we played pretty fast. So, if you’re starting at 3:33, you probably won’t get 18 in. I hired a caddie. He wasn’t much help, but having someone carry my bag was key as I’m still more exhausted than any other round I’ve played and usually I carry my own bag. Long straight drives are key! I’m not a long hitter and that cost me a lot of penalty strokes (I’m 110% honest in counting strokes. No mulligans, etc). There are several holes where the fairway is very, very hard to reach if you can’t hit it 260 and straight. If you come up short, you’re in fescue rough and can easily lose your ball. The greens are actually not that fast, despite a lot of online talk about that. They’re also surprisingly “un-tricky” and generally fairly flat, and are VERY true which is great. Practice your sand game before you go! There’s a lot of it. The Black is a weird experience–I shot my highest score ever today, but I’ve never felt better after a round of golf (and I actually didn’t play badly…). I crushed my tee shot off of hole #1 straight down the middle. This was a great way to start, as there are locals who sit on benches and watch everyone tee-off. It’s very public at hole #1. After that, it’s tranquil and surprisingly not crowded for such a legendary course. Best course I’ve ever played. Can’t wait to play a “normal” course after this one and treat myself to a scorecard with 10-20 fewer strokes! Ha! Have fun!
What are the chances of a single showing up on Wednesday 8-12 around 11am and getting out on the Black with a 3some? Also I am not registered or a resident of the State of NY.
I called 7 days in advance to get a tee time and all I would get was best available time was 4:30pm I was looking for more of something in the morning. Does message mean that all times are booked that day? or should I just keep calling?
I just played the 3:33 teetime this last Tuesday. We got 15 holes in under light and hurried to get the last 3 holes in although the last two holes we couldnt see where our balls so just had to gauge on feel. If you have a good idea of how you hit, you might be able to squeak in 18, but plan on the last 4 holes to be blind.
Also, I used the rental clubs and I would highly suggest anyone to find a way to bring their own clubs. It is a difficult course to play no matter what, but if you dont have a trusty club out of the rough or to hit off the tee into the fairway it can make for some tough holes. They give you Adams clubs which are fine in general, but all of the woods are regular stiff flex- so if you have faster club head speed, you have to adapt.
For golfers who are worried about not being good enough to play out there, you shouldnt worry too much. You can always play the white tees which in general are 50+ yards up.
I will be showing up at 4:00 am Sept. 26 as a single to play Black. Unfortunately I can’t leave my car the day before. Anyone care to share their thoughts on my chances to tee off before 10am?
This is a really neat site with lots of good information. It sounds like Bethpage black is one not to miss.
We are visiting New York on hols next week and I would love the opportunity to play Bethpage black. I am a 4 handicap from Letham Grange in Scotland.
Can you advise a good time to pitch up with a chance of getting a game.
Does the pro shop keep enough spare sets in stock.
Thanks G.
Played the Black the same weekend of the 2005 US Open at Shinnecock. Slept in the car on Thurday night and got out around 10AM on Friday. Played my balls off and still shot 82….and I’m a scratch golfer.
By far one of the best courses I have ever played….and that includes Pebble Beach, Kiawah Ocean, Pasatiempo, Scioto and Oakmont.
Wishing I had time to do it again!!
Playing this Sunday at 2:30. As a NY state resident, last Sunday it was about 6:55 and just decided to see what I would be able to get if I started dialing a few mins before 7PM. usually if you start dialing after 7:05 you will be lucky to get something before 3:30-4PM which means not very good chance of getting all 18 in. Was probably somewhat lucky as it is Labor Day weekend. If you are lucky enough to secure a tee time, secure it and just check back numerous times a day for cancellations. the first time I played the course this year, we had a 3:40 tee time and lucked out with a cancellation for a tee time at 1:30! I usually shoot in the low 90’s and occasionally high 80’s. First time I played this course last year, after the first hole I was like what the F am I doing out here!!! after the 9th I stopped keeping score, but after the 15th, I was already chomping at the bit to get back out there asap. it is truly an amazing course. I was out right after the open and ended up shooting a true 106! considering the conditions on that course, I would take that anyday considering. considering it was a 106, you would have thought I broke 80 out there!!! Go out there for the experience vs. trying to shoot the round of your life (it aint gonna happen!). As the summer comes to an end, it obviously will be getting darker sooner so unlike getting a tee time in the summer at say 2:30-3PM, a few more weeks and you will be dealing with darkness rolling in. Dont give up on trying to get on, I mean even if you are a ny resident and you pay the $55bucks and only get to play 10-15holes, it is still worth the money.
I am a regular golfer at Bethpage. I play all the courses. I can tell you that the caddie program has changed. Gone are the days of caddies soliciting in the park. All caddies affiliated with the Black course must register with the State. Though the caddies are registered, this does not insure you will have a quality caddie on your bag. Most of these guys will just carry your bag and offer bad or no advice. Scoring an “F” on even the most basic caddie services. These guys are not worth the $75 a bag + tip. My advice. Ask the Pro Shop who the top guys are and request there services. A great caddie on one of the Worlds greatest course will insure you have one of the best experiences of your life. Good luck…jr
Just got a time between noon and 1 pm for next Thursday… dialed in at 6:59 pm eastern and was able to get through… This will be my first time playing on the black… Can’t wait. I will post back after we play.
Sure am glad… I was the unlucky one that was going to wait all day on Wednesday to get a time for Thursday morning. Now just hoping we are rain free.
Do 100% of fees paid for caddies go to the caddy or does the club take something? If all the money is taken by the caddy then why is a “tip” mentioned. If the caddy fees are $60 or $75 then thats all I am giving.Its total bullshit to phrase it as “plus tip”
Are campers and trailers allowed in the parking lot if you want to stay overnight?
Played the black today. Tee time: 12:42. Took us 5 1/2 hours. Shot 88 and am proud to say I did so using the same ball for the entire round. I used my 3 wheel speedcart. I know many have mentioned how difficult the course is to walk. The best way to describe walking the black is BRUTAL!!! All of us in my group were 49 to 52. We all labored to finish the round. That being said, I am thrilled that we decided to play. It is an amazing course.
In my opinion, the caddie fee 100 per bag (including tip) is without question reasonable. This is a very difficult course to carry a bag (or two).
When we went in to pay, I noticed they have monitors that display the available times. We were in there at 10 AM and I could see 2 available times for a single to play (11:30 ish and 2 ish). So a single should certainly get out (mid week anyway). I am not sure about the weekends.
I didnt notice any campers in the parking lot. But, the lot is significant in size. I doubt it would be a problem.
I drank 120+ ounces of G2 gatorade. It wasnt enough!!! Bring as my water as you can carry. The guys in my group carrying their bags were limited on how much fluid they could carry. My 3 wheel cart allowed me to carry several bottles. That was a big advantage.
Also, there really was no restrictions on where I could wheel the cart. I typically could skirt the fringe around the green with the cart. I found it to be the best way to walk and play the course.
I plan on playing on Monday.This information was very helpfull.
Thanks..
Tony..
Secured a tee for next Thursday at 12:33pm…can’t wait. I must have called over a dozen times starting around 6:57pm. I finally got through, I suggest rehearsing your call prior to the real thing. I now have memorized my ID number and my SS #.
Where else can you play a venue where professionals play…think about it. Who plays hockey at MSG or football at the Meadowlands. For us NY residents we are truly lucky to have such a pristine course in our backyard.
I played the black last year on October 15 and they had just aerated and top dressed the greens. I plan on playing next week hoping they adhere to the same schedule. Does anyone know if they plan on aerating and/or top dressing the greens/fairways/tees next week?
Thanks for the great info. I have a question for you all….. I am planning on playing black next weekend, and since it is later in the year do you advise showing up around 4:30am on saturday if we are planning on playing sunday? Also, does it matter how many ppl are in our group? We will be going up there with 3 people, but I read somewhere that you have to wait till you get a fourth (assuming we would have to snag a single thats in the car line) until you can get your tee time. Is that true?
Thanks for the help!
What’s the chance of a single just showing up mid-week this time of year and being able to get out on the course (black)?
Thank you!